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rckrz6 said:
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Every blade of grass is independently processed. Have you played flower? There are thousands upon thousands blades of grass that sway to the winds' tune, the players' tune and also change colour.
I have no expertise in computing, but it does seem a very taxing task.

And is there a problem with a developer praising something that allowed them to create a game they love?

 

The problam is not the developers praising Cell and the PS3. The problam is the pathetic, jealious fanboys!

 

 No the problem is something being praised thats completely outdated.  the cell omg the cell .. who cares. Its all a marketing gimik.  A modern day i7 cpu blows it out of the water.  The new graphics cards comming out are pushing 2 teraflops.  Its like praising the pentium 4

 

dont forget that just a i7 might cost 3 times what a ps3 cost... and they arent much comparable CPUs, way to diferent...



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wow what a cool video, even though your intentions where to bash it, thanks for showing me the video :)



sergiodaly said:

 

dont forget that just a i7 might cost 3 times what a ps3 cost... and they arent much comparable CPUs, way to diferent...

The base i7 model costs less than $300... and you don't need an i7 to have better performance in games that the PS3 can ever give you. Most games aren't limited by the CPU anyway.

 



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So, the cell is shit, then? Is that how it is? (Insert fanboys with floating point operations sheets and parallel processing data, number of threads etc.).
How strange that a developer praises the platform they want to sell their game on, never heard anything like it.
OP: Grow up, most devs say that on behind the scenes footage ("platform x is awesome"). I've certainly heard my share of praise of all three consoles this gen (and largely agreed) so this is nothing unique.



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ssj12 said:
nojustno said:
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They even praised the RSX LMFAO

 

I can understand it. The RSX isnt a slow GPU at all. While it is slower to the newest GPUs out it was definitely one of the fastest of the generation of GPUs it was released in.

I'm sorry, but a crippled 7800GTX aka RSX is in no way comparable to the fastest cards of that generation 7900 GTX and x1950xtx. It's the weakest part of the ps3 and if I recall correctly, added at the last minute because the cell alone wasnt powerfull enough in processing graphics.

 

we have no idea what the RSX's specs are so how can you tell me that its a "crippled 7800GTX?" It is more than plausible that the RSX has the same amount of stream processors as the 7900GTX. Also clock speeds are supposed to be pretty good.

You mean you don't know the specs. It's not hard to find around the net.

 

ok then, tell me how many stream processors are in the GPU? Also I'm not seeing any major differences between the 7800GTX 512 or the RSX other than the  RSX has 256MBs of ram. The RSX performs pretty much evenly with the 7800GTX 512 so how is it crippled when its the same damn thing, same spec, same performance, just with less ram.



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Having watched the video, what you don't see is the questions to which the developers are responding.

My guess is that in the middle section, they are just reacting to a question posed about the Cell processor. Plus, since this this appears to be done for/by Sony, of course it is going to be slanted quite positively toward that console and its capabilities.

It's called marketing.

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NJ5 said:
sergiodaly said:

 

dont forget that just a i7 might cost 3 times what a ps3 cost... and they arent much comparable CPUs, way to diferent...

The base i7 model costs less than $300... and you don't need an i7 to have better performance in games that the PS3 can ever give you. Most games aren't limited by the CPU anyway.

 

The Cell CPU is very different to a Core i7 or any traditional CPU found in a modern PC. The fact is the Cell IS more powerful then normal CPUs (including the i7) for certain applications and for doing floating point calculations.

However, the point is moot as most games on PC are limited by the GPU, not CPU. On a PS3 the Cell allows developers to offload stuff that would normally be done on GPU. Thus, given enough time, developer can somewhat work around the limitations of the relatively weak RSX. The physics in games like Uncharted (cloth physics! kinda pointless?) and Lair (crap game, but with fluid simulation for the sea... again, kinda pointless) could be acheived on a modern day GPU.

The fact is, for a CPU, the Cell is quite impressive in what it can acheive even today, being almost a CPU/GPU hybrid. However, GPU's have come a long way with things like NVidia's Cuda, PhysX and Intel's Larrabee just round the corner.

 



This is the only Cell worth talking about in so many threads...

 



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ssj12 said:
nojustno said:
ssj12 said:
nojustno said:
ssj12 said:
nojustno said:
They even praised the RSX LMFAO

 

I can understand it. The RSX isnt a slow GPU at all. While it is slower to the newest GPUs out it was definitely one of the fastest of the generation of GPUs it was released in.

I'm sorry, but a crippled 7800GTX aka RSX is in no way comparable to the fastest cards of that generation 7900 GTX and x1950xtx. It's the weakest part of the ps3 and if I recall correctly, added at the last minute because the cell alone wasnt powerfull enough in processing graphics.

 

we have no idea what the RSX's specs are so how can you tell me that its a "crippled 7800GTX?" It is more than plausible that the RSX has the same amount of stream processors as the 7900GTX. Also clock speeds are supposed to be pretty good.

You mean you don't know the specs. It's not hard to find around the net.

 

ok then, tell me how many stream processors are in the GPU? Also I'm not seeing any major differences between the 7800GTX 512 or the RSX other than the  RSX has 256MBs of ram. The RSX performs pretty much evenly with the 7800GTX 512 so how is it crippled when its the same damn thing, same spec, same performance, just with less ram.

RSX only has a 128-bit memory bus. That is a major difference and why people refer to it as a crippled 7800GTX. The 7800 GTX has a 256-bit one so it performs much better with filters like AA and AF. And RSX doesnt have stream processors, it has shader pipelines and only has 24 of them.

 




I don't care for the Cell. My $100 video card is four times more powerful than it, and infinitely times more powerful than a Xbox CPU.