Sony has a chance at 2nd if......

they match the 360's Elite price $450

Because most people could care less about Blue-Ray right now, but that could change in a couple years. Another thing that is hurting sony besides the price, is Halo. Once people get this game and play on live, the game is going to spread like a wild fire. Much more then Gears of War. Expect 360 to sell 3:1 over PS3 Sept,Oct,Nov, Dec in NA.

Those 2 negatives aside. Sonys biggest weapons are GT5,Final Fantasy, and God of War 3. MS only has Banjo 3, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, and Halo Wars for 08.

Well, as I stated many times before the PS3 will finish 2nd IMHO. It will not pass 360 in 2008, but it will eventually. The reason is solely due to Japan being much more in PS3's favor, especially after games like FF13 drop. Then, unlike right now, PS3 will eventually gain Others, this will be enough to put PS3 in a comfortable 2nd place.

EDIT: I read the first few posts and removed my beginning paragraph. 

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Funnily enough, we could step back a generation and switch Leo's name to any Gamecube fan's name to apply it.

It would be wrong then and it is certainly wrong now.

It's like football (or insert your favorite sport here), just because your favorite team isn't doing well that doesn't mean you stop cheering.  It means you cheer harder and more vigorously until they can make a turn-around.  Cheering for a losing team doesn't mean you're not capable of making rational decisions, rather it simply means you're taking the hard road.   There's nothing wrong with being a fair-weather fan of sports or consoles, but you shouldn't insult the people who remain fans even when their team/console is doing poorly.  

As a side note, this quote fits the theme all-too-well: 

"If that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say I do not also blow." - Mayor Quimby (Simpsons)

I think leo will be back to being a PS3 fanboy tomorrow but i also think his creating this thread registers a valid point. The one big thing Sony still has left is its brand name. If too many people like Leo who are fanboys start to doubt the brilliance of Sony, they will very quickly lose enthusiasm for purchasing an expensive console. The problem for Sony is that the bad press is far from over. Its highly likely that they are about to come third in EU, 2nd in Japan and get absolutely thumped in NA this Christmas. This will lead to very bad press that could seriously hurt sales until the big 2 in March (MGS4 and GTA4) and the gameplay poor but graphically great Killzone series installment. The problem is these games dont look like they will drastically outshine the best 360 games graphically, perpetuating the bad press problem for Sony. As much as we all hate them, FANBOYS MATTER. A console company without fanboys wont last long.........

I think the real question is this:

Why on Earth are so many of you loyal to a faceless corporation that only cares about your money?

Sheesh... All three console manufacturers have very sordid histories and "cheering" for them because of brand loyalty is downright foolish.

Buy the console that has the games you want to play, no matter what inane logo resides on the front of it. End of story.

The exclusive episodic content for GTAIV might be enough to convince people waiting for that game and that haven't already bought a 360 or PS3 to choose the 360.  Also is God of War 3 even coming out in 2008?  I thought they only began development on it sometime this year?  And Final Fantasy 13 is rumored to be coming out in 2009.

The problem with Sony's big games coming out late (some in 2009) is that most people who buy either a PS3 or 360 will likely not buy the other because their libraries overlap (at least for the people I know or from the majority of posts I've read on various boards) so it's a race to get the hardcore gamers first.  Also if the PS3 is unable to get a large installed base quickly it's not hard to imagine third parties getting cold feet with very expensive exclusive games they have in development for the system and they might look at making them multiplatform. 

The fact that Sony is relying very heavily on Square Enix should also be a little worrisome considering the remarks that have been coming out of them lately about the PS3 (and yes I've read the rumor thread where the vast majority of their console games are rumored to be going to the PS3 but I suspect Square will start making some of them multiplatform, if they don't make the announcement at TGS you can bet if the PS3 gets hammered for the next 6 months in sales they'll make one).

Your problem is that you swing from wildly optimistic to ridiculously pessimistic. The PS3 has a reasonable chance of coming in second place world wide, if Sony plays all of its cards right and Microsoft continues to bumble along the way they have been. Especially if the QA issues continue to plague MS, because if the Xbox 360 has the same problems by 2009, there are going to be some serious repercussions for MS because a lot of people will be very unhappy.

Here's the deal: the PS3 doesn't have enough good games out right now and it is overpriced. People don't care about all of the things it can do, they care about games. And the PS3 doesn't do games well yet.

Only a Sony true believer -- someone who believes whatever Sony says despite their blatent attempts to mislead consumers for two generations now -- would believe that the PS3 will some day magically have its power unlocked and show itself to be head-over-heels better than the 360. Frankly, the hardware is not better than the 360 and by most benchmarks the 360 is better at rendering graphics, running AI routines, etc. You don't hear Microsoft making outrageous claims about the power of their hardware.

The PS3 may have hardware that is difficult to optimize for because of the ways in which developers have to avoid bottlenecks, but don't confuse 'difficult to get working properly' with 'has a lot of potential', because one does not imply the other. Avoiding bottlenecks won't make the Cell somehow an amazing processor for gaming and it won't give the PS3 more fillrate or memory. These are the facts of the hardware and yet fanboys all over the world ignore them and try to wish them into nonexistance.

Less than 12 months after its US release, the PS3 will likely be $399 instead of $599. This is good news for the consumer and mixed news for Sony. Sony will have to sell assets (their fab plant, their insurance arm) to continue taking those kinds of losses, but it will help the PS3 keep its head above water a bit longer regarding its marketshare.  Still, considering that new buyers will be getting a PS3 for $399 instead of $599 and they will be getting a pile of free movies to go along with it has to make early adoptors feel bad.

leo-j: you said the PS3 is the best console you've ever owned. Why? Do you have tangible reasons -- the quality of the games?  In my opinion, the fact that it's an HD player is secondary because HD players are so cheap these days (under $200).

 How aren't you banned?