And that's why no one takes you seriously.

The interesting thing about it is that PS3 is tracking behind the GC in Japan and is tracking only slightly ahead in NA. Obviously shows you how good PS3 is doing in others and how bad GC did.

While I agree with this in principle, one thing comes to mind:

The Ps2 had 6 years, and yet it only made ~ 3B. Why? The mere thought that the Ps3, which has higher development costs, should be far more profitable than the Ps2 ever was seems incredibly odd, wouldn't you agree?

We quite simply lack a view of all the expenses and incomes to make a correct assumption (like you attempted).

What about all the expenses? Those thousands of SCE employees don't pay themselves. There are plenty of expenses which explain Oyvoyvoyv's observation.

 And thats why I dont take anyone on this site seriously, most of them just love to hate Sony and PlayStation, but whatever have your fun, Sony knows what they're doing and doing a damn fine job, even if the PS3 doesnt win this gen, Sony will always be remembered by the revolutionary PS1 and PS2, something that only MS and Nintendo wishes they could achieve, and Nintendo couldnt achieve the sales they have today without the casual market

Funny how everyone who talks about the next milestone is mentioning the xbox, snes, and nes...

So it's common belief that it won't pass the 360? =)

:P

One step at a time. =)
Go Go PS3!
PS3 FTW!

p.s. 2 all haters, you may hate PS3 as much as you want, but just know, that 299$ PS3 will sell much better, MUCH better, than 299$ x360. =))

Is that supposed to be good?

Of those employees several hundreds are developers and marketing/PR people for first party games and system managers, and their paycheck is already counted in the software and services part.

But yes, there will be a lot of other expenses. But by the same logic, those plenty of unknown and unquantified expenses can't be put on the shoulders of the PS3 for the last years as Oyvoyvoyv did in his previous post when he totalled more than $4B loss. They are Sony Game expenses: we don't know if they would have been equal or less if the PS3 had been gathering as much revenue as the Wii by itself or even if it did not exist.

And do we have detailed numbers on the expenses during the PS2 era? Because developing from scratch a network infrastructure and a new console did set back MS of many billion dollars. Plus Sony designed and developed the PSP and its platform during those years. Thus saying that the PS2 era only brought 3B profits (6 years old dollars on average, btw) doesn't really teach us much about how much revenue it generated, or how much the PS3 can in turn. Especially since the whole "services" resource is brand new.

My point: you can say that Sony is losing money with its game division. But saying that the PS3 by itself "is going to lose them money" is unproven, most likely false.

@FilaBrasileiro, definitely NOT bad, if a system in 2,5 years passes GC 5 years LTD sales. =)

While, PS3 still has A LOT of momentum left, like 299$/199$/149$ + slim model + new colors + FFXIII/GT5 + more Japan 3rd party support. =)

@Oyvoyvoyv, how much Sony made on PS3 winning HD video format war? How much Sony is making on every PS3 owner, which bought blu-ray movie? :)
Sony in 2 weeks from HOME launch made 1 mln. $. Don`t worry, PS3 will bring back PROFIT before PS4 launch.