This reminds me of a lesson I and many Americans have learned the hard way:


Arguing with idiots, ignorance, and/or arrogance never pans out and should be ignored...just don't let them make the decisions.

You didn't give Eastern Europe to Stalin. In fact, he gave west berlin to... the West.

WTF man? You should be banned just as that guy whom attacked Iraq in the exact same manner as you did now ;)

You have absolutly no freaking idea whats going on in Russia or any ex-soviet state and all that you are saying here comes from bullshit western media. Dont judge something afther the general publics opinion because that only makes you a tool...

Yes, it might not be paradise, true, but seeing that it pretty much became what it is today in less then 18 years... thats just impressive.

And again, for people who bealive that the russian media is framed and not free... please... did you ever went out and bought a newspaper in russia? Because I highly doubt it ;) And the crap that they write about their leader is something that just couldent be possible in a non-democratic country ;)

Torture... well yes... thats something that should be eradicated in every country, but lets e honest... its something that will never go away untill humanity exists, like it or not...

Though I agree that torture will always exist, I don't believe people object to it in order to eradicate it from our nature...we object to it in order to preserve our sanity and humanity, because once you become compliant to such behavior as torture, you start to lose that humanity ...

OMG... thats just stupid :)) My god... run down Moscow with what? ^_^

*Sigh* Not you too, read the thread, it's put into context in the posts I make and you will see what I mean.

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you don't think I'm american too right??? I'm not American at all.

Well, I suppose I could borrow a quote from Civilization, "We back our threats with nuclear weapons", but the simple truth is that the US was at the height of it's millitary power at the end of WWII. Russia as well as the rest of Europe was exhausted. The US's industrial base and population base was untouched during the war. If the US said to Russia, no you may not have eastern Europe nor may you influence east Asia, Russia could do nothing to stop it.

Wow... if you really do bealive that this is true, then my friend we have nothing to discuss because you are then probably the most blind person ever. The reason Japan surrendered was not because the atomic bomb... that was the final drop. They had nothing left to protect themselves, they where trully exhausted... and all they had left was their tiny island. Now do you trully bealive that dropping a nuclear bomb on Moscow ( a city that was in ruins btw) would have made the russians give up the entire eastern europe? The US barely had troops in mainland europe by the time the war was over. The russian army was by far bigger, and back then land combat was still arguably the dominative one during a war... If the US would have kept pushing the front in matter of months their already not stable economy would have went down the hill my friend ;)

Highway: no... I know that your not an american :P You made that one clear many times before :))

lol...the welfare state begging the US to supply it with weapons and vehicles was going to win against the US?

Well, only since you insist on bringing it up.

Of course Japan was exhausted near the end of the war. It took two atomic bombs to convince them that they were however. But once their navy and air force were destroyed and the US had island airbases within range of the mainland it was all over.

I’m not sure Eastern Europe was too keen on Russian domination. Sure it may have beaten German occupation, but I kind of think they would have preferred their freedom.  The US once JP was out of the way, could field as much equipment, troops, and nuclear deterrent that it took to make Russia capitulate. Stalin wasn’t exactly loved so much as the Nazis were hated.