im just intrested to hear the reasoning to that statement please

edit: why does any nation belong to any one group of people?

What are you talking about?

From your initial statement I assumed you meant that Muslims and Jews have been fighting for centuries.  If that was a wrong assumption please correct me.

from the khazar wiki page



The theory that all or most Ashkenazi ("European") Jews might be descended from Khazars (rather than Semitic groups in the Middle East) dates back to the racialism of late nineteenth century Europe, and was frequently cited to assert that most modern Jews aren't descended from Israelites and/or to refute Israeli claims to Palestine

Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

 They have historical rights to the territory being the first (still living) people to have conquered the area and established a nation there. Plus Israel was founded as a Jewish nation, a home and safe haven for all the Jews in the world, and it's been acknowledged and recognized by the UN.

I'm a herpe? lol, you've posted a mere 700ish times and you somehow know me?

Look, its archeological fact that the philistines of biblical times were greek, white, non-Semetic. That means that they are simply not the ancestors of the Arab/Semetic people of the region now.

Did some % of them mix in with the region, of course, did a large % of arabs move into the region after the Jews were mostly kicked out by the Romans, of course. But, to say that the Palestinians are direct relations to the Philistines is just not correct in what that is trying to imply.

I have some Native American blood in me, am I Native American by definition, no. My ancestors were European, I'm white. Same here, any Palestinian would say their ancestors at some point in time came from the Arabian pennisula.

Also, I took 7 classes on that region's history. 2 specifically on all ME history, 1 on pure Jewish history using the TaNaKh and archeological sources, 1 solely on the Arab-Israeli conflict, and 2 on specifically Judaism and Islam respectively which also cover the religious slants to their histories. Also have taken a couple archeology classes that studied ancient civs and both classes had significant parts on the area. So, yeah I do know what I'm talking about and I have Palestinian family for a more personal touch.

So, while its true that Arabs have lived there longer as a majority of the population than Jews, Jews were technically there first, when only considering these two groups.

Your arguement of assimilation and mixing of people would definitely hold true in the example of Ancient Egyptians and modern Arab Egyptians as I'm sure a significant % of the modern Egyptians are specifically related to the ancient culture, but not with biblical philistines. Biblical Philistines would be mixed with a whole much larger region both in the Middle East and out of it simply due to the many various groups that conquered the area and practices mass removal and complete trades of entire populations within the area.

The great majority of Arabs there now would not have a blood/DNA link to these biblical figures. Obviously unable to prove, but I would bet just as many Jews could be linked to biblical philistines as arabs. So the arguement is moot.

Excellent posts superchunk.

If I were a Palestinian, I would join up with the freedom fighters.

I can completely understand why they fight Israel.

This scientific study should settle our debate.

Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years.   Jewish men shared a common set of genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, and these signatures diverged significantly from non-Jewish men outside of this region.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm

Thats some funny logic.

The Egyptians conquered the area before the Jews, and then moved out.  So I guess that settles it, Israel is to become a part of Egypt.  I'm American, I better pack my bags and head back to England.  Oh crap, England was celtic before before the Anglo Saxons came, and since Celts are still around I guess I'd better move back to Germany.

yeah, i thought so...

that is the dumbest argument you can make on this, because i can use the same argument to say that the USA must by rights belong to what few native americans are still alive, you see, its a stupid argument to make, thats why i wanted to check.