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S.T.A.G.E. on 26 April 2009
twingo said:
Smashchu2 said:

Akvod said:
The OP did this for the VG$!!

For those who are saying that Sony is losing money on this, didn't MS lose a considerable amount of money to penetrate into the console market? Why is Sony investing for the long term if they just want to step out of the gaming industry after this gen?

Microsoft never did this for profit. Their goal is to stop the Playstation brand from disrupting computers. Sony's vision of videogames is different then Nintendo's and Sega's. They were/are trying to create multimedia computers, or something to that extent. They aren't making game system the way Nintendo is. Basically, the Playstation brand was intergrating their multimedia elements into a gaming console. It was poised to disrupt computers which Microsoft could not allow. However, Sony's goal was always about profit; Microsoft's wasn't. This is why there is so much red ink on the 360.

This means two things. First, Microsoft could easily knock the last leg out from under the brand. Microsoft can force a new console right when the PS3 is about to make money. This would cause more R&D red ink, and with Nintendo disrupting both of them, neither will turn a profit. Of course, when this happens, Microsoft will leave the industry. Which is my second point: once the Playstation brand end (and it probably will), Nintendo will be the last company producing a game console. of this, this also means the end of the hardcore era. Nintendo has been trying to get away from what is hardcore gaming. With Sony and Microsoft gone, Nintendo will not focus on hardcore gaming.

As far as Sony investing long term, they were planning on being #1 again. This time, they are number 3 of 3; although, it is really all about the money. They will drop the investments if the overall system is failing. Why try to save you million dollar yahte if it's going to sink anyway. Becuase of this, Sony MIGHT try a 4th console, but that's only is they can turn some king of profit very soon to try and justify it to investors.Overall, the Playstation brand is on it's last legs.

 

Makes sesne problem is going by that train of though Sony would have shut down half their division already.  They are a old ass corp, nothing last #1 they know it but they have never abbandoned their core businesses. 

PS/SCE is their core business now.

Movies
Electronics
SCE
Music

Will always be a part of Sony, none is going any where.

 

I agree with what you say about it not being over for SCE; however, I also agree with what he said about Microsoft and Sony's intentions. It's a mixed bag.

 



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Smashchu2 on 26 April 2009
twingo said:
Smashchu2 said:

Akvod said:
The OP did this for the VG$!!

For those who are saying that Sony is losing money on this, didn't MS lose a considerable amount of money to penetrate into the console market? Why is Sony investing for the long term if they just want to step out of the gaming industry after this gen?

Microsoft never did this for profit. Their goal is to stop the Playstation brand from disrupting computers. Sony's vision of videogames is different then Nintendo's and Sega's. They were/are trying to create multimedia computers, or something to that extent. They aren't making game system the way Nintendo is. Basically, the Playstation brand was intergrating their multimedia elements into a gaming console. It was poised to disrupt computers which Microsoft could not allow. However, Sony's goal was always about profit; Microsoft's wasn't. This is why there is so much red ink on the 360.

This means two things. First, Microsoft could easily knock the last leg out from under the brand. Microsoft can force a new console right when the PS3 is about to make money. This would cause more R&D red ink, and with Nintendo disrupting both of them, neither will turn a profit. Of course, when this happens, Microsoft will leave the industry. Which is my second point: once the Playstation brand end (and it probably will), Nintendo will be the last company producing a game console. of this, this also means the end of the hardcore era. Nintendo has been trying to get away from what is hardcore gaming. With Sony and Microsoft gone, Nintendo will not focus on hardcore gaming.

As far as Sony investing long term, they were planning on being #1 again. This time, they are number 3 of 3; although, it is really all about the money. They will drop the investments if the overall system is failing. Why try to save you million dollar yahte if it's going to sink anyway. Becuase of this, Sony MIGHT try a 4th console, but that's only is they can turn some king of profit very soon to try and justify it to investors.Overall, the Playstation brand is on it's last legs.

 

Makes sesne problem is going by that train of though Sony would have shut down half their division already.  They are a old ass corp, nothing last #1 they know it but they have never abbandoned their core businesses. 

PS/SCE is their core business now.

Movies
Electronics
SCE
Music

Will always be a part of Sony, none is going any where.

 

Yeah, but has any of those bleed money like the PS3 is.

Remember that the company is shaken right now and it will be even more so with this global recession. There is also Nintendo, who manages to make Sony and Microsoft irrelivent day by day. The only reason we are still talking about them is becuase 3rd parties are reluctant to go to Nintendo. There isn;t much iof a future for the Playstation brand.

Also, it's the investors who pressure the company to go left or right. They may be the ones who are first to cut or downsize the Playstation sector. Games are not their focus like they are for Nintendo.

Yeah, a lot of this is old, but remember that this driven by the profibility (or lack there of) of the PS3.

 



twingo on 26 April 2009
Smashchu2 said:

Yeah, but has any of those bleed money like the PS3 is.

Remember that the company is shaken right now and it will be even more so with this global recession. There is also Nintendo, who manages to make Sony and Microsoft irrelivent day by day. The only reason we are still talking about them is becuase 3rd parties are reluctant to go to Nintendo. There isn;t much iof a future for the Playstation brand.

Also, it's the investors who pressure the company to go left or right. They may be the ones who are first to cut or downsize the Playstation sector. Games are not their focus like they are for Nintendo.

Yeah, a lot of this is old, but remember that this driven by the profibility (or lack there of) of the PS3.

 

 

They all were beedling Sony dry, PS is what kept then afloat.  At one time it was the only profit they had\ everything else was a massive clusterfuk of red.

Recession can be used as a scape goat, blame the failures on it.

PS is hardware thats what Sony does while their Software makes money.  It make sno sense to get rid of it, especially with their handhald doing so well, next time just make it pirate proof.



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 April 2009
twingo said:
Smashchu2 said:

Yeah, but has any of those bleed money like the PS3 is.

Remember that the company is shaken right now and it will be even more so with this global recession. There is also Nintendo, who manages to make Sony and Microsoft irrelivent day by day. The only reason we are still talking about them is becuase 3rd parties are reluctant to go to Nintendo. There isn;t much iof a future for the Playstation brand.

Also, it's the investors who pressure the company to go left or right. They may be the ones who are first to cut or downsize the Playstation sector. Games are not their focus like they are for Nintendo.

Yeah, a lot of this is old, but remember that this driven by the profibility (or lack there of) of the PS3.

 

 

They all were beedling Sony dry, PS is what kept then afloat.  At one time it was the only profit they had everything else was a massive clusterfuk of red.

Recession can be used as a scape goat, blame the failures on it.

PS is hardware thats what Sony does while their Software makes money.  It make sno sense to get rid of it, especially with their handhald doing so well, next time just make it pirate proof.

 

 

Tis true....Sony was getting its collective ass handed to them by the competition in electronics before the Playstation. They were surviving off of the Playstations marketshare.



Jeronimo66 on 26 April 2009
TyePhoid_PAL said:
@Jeronimo. If they had kept the first xbox on sale for another 3 yrs it would have reached 35m? lol Not a chance.

I never said for another 3 years  I said one more year.

 



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Smashchu2 on 26 April 2009
twingo said:
Smashchu2 said:

Yeah, but has any of those bleed money like the PS3 is.

Remember that the company is shaken right now and it will be even more so with this global recession. There is also Nintendo, who manages to make Sony and Microsoft irrelivent day by day. The only reason we are still talking about them is becuase 3rd parties are reluctant to go to Nintendo. There isn;t much iof a future for the Playstation brand.

Also, it's the investors who pressure the company to go left or right. They may be the ones who are first to cut or downsize the Playstation sector. Games are not their focus like they are for Nintendo.

Yeah, a lot of this is old, but remember that this driven by the profibility (or lack there of) of the PS3.

 

 

They all were beedling Sony dry, PS is what kept then afloat.  At one time it was the only profit they had everything else was a massive clusterfuk of red.

Recession can be used as a scape goat, blame the failures on it.

PS is hardware thats what Sony does while their Software makes money.  It make sno sense to get rid of it, especially with their handhald doing so well, next time just make it pirate proof.

First, recessions hurt companies (which is why a recession is a drop in the business cycle). It becomes much harder to operate where you use to do to the difficulty of investments, inflation, deflation (on your own products) amoung other things. Recessions have always hurt companies. It also a great time to sweep the run under some. Again, Sony went under a massive restructure. Do you think they are going to waste time with bleeding products?

Also, Sony is by no means a software giant. It's only after thye success of the PS2 that they even try. 3rd parties are what sold the system. All of the big names came from a 3rd party source (as opposed to Sega and Nintendo). They wont make much monwey off their software. If the system doesn't sell, neither does the software (a responce to someone who mentioned they wont kill the brand based on investment).

Lastly, Sony was only recently a game company, and their actions have proven they are not putting them first. The PS3 is more a Blu-ray player then a console. The console was desided around putting their new format in a successful line (at the time). Sony is not invested in games as they are in movies and music. The investors will definatly think this. With the massive restructure, they will be the first to tell Sony to get out.

 



OooSnap on 26 April 2009

I think they will make another console but this time they are going to adopt Nintendo's business model of making a profit on day 1. The next console is going to target everybody instead of just 12 - 25 males. There is just too much to be made in the video game industry to pass it up. But I don't think it is farfetched for Sony to drop out when they lost so much money on the PS3.

So expect a console that is cheaper in cost, cheaper in hardware, and most likely having some kind of motion controls simliar to the Wiimote.



TheCompletist on 27 April 2009

I tink part of the reason they sank so much into PS3 R&D is because a lot of that tech, which is not getting fully exploited now due to bottlenecks in other areas, will be usable in the PS4. The pain they've suffered the last three years is drawing to an end, and it leaves them with a lot of the hard work of the next dozen years already done. Sony aren't going anywhere.



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Lord N on 27 April 2009
Jeronimo66 said:
phinch1 said:
Jeronimo66 said:
phinch1 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Feylic said:
lol, how can you possibly think this... .did Microsoft quit after their failure that was the Xbox? Why would Sony quit with a console that did better.

 

 

The Xbox wasn't a failure..... technology-wise when it was far more superior in power to the PS2. In addition, it came in second place. What made the Xbox suck was the lack of games. It's not Microsoft's fault Sony acquired 90% of third parties on their side during Microsofts first go. Microsoft made them eat it this gen by taking the most popular 3rd party games on their system. If Microsoft can pump out some good first and second party this gen while keeping third party coming in, they will have a very good fanbase for next gen.

 

he didnt say it wont have a good fan base next gen, or that it doesnt this gen, he said xbox was a failure  and he's right it kinda was

The Xbox didn't fail, Microsoft killed it to put all their efforts into the 360, if microsoft would have kept up support for xbox the system for at least one more year, the xbox probably would have sold around 35 million, which is around N64 numbers and I don't think anyone can call Nintendo 64 a failure, it was a successful system and made profit for nintendo, Microsoft was loosing too much money on every xbox sold because of the contracts they had with Nvidia for the GPU, thats why with 360 microsoft switched to ATI for their GPU.

 

for at least one more year? you think it would have sold 9 million in one year, you really are stupid i thought this thread was a joke to make a fanboy battle, but you genuinly belive this is the ps3's last console, in the words of buzz lightyear "you sad sad little man "you can say what you want but that didnt happen did it, what hapend was it sold 24 million over 5 years and failed no ifs or buts, it failed. dont bother responding I wont rise to you anymore

 

Microsoft stopped making the origional xbox in 2004 thats 3 years, so I don't know where you got 5 years from.

The origional xbox was on store shelves for a little over 3 years if you average it out that is 8 million systems per year for 3 years, therefore 24 million sold, so it wouldn't be impossible for xbox to sell 9 million more in a year if given the chance.

 

 

What world were you living  in?

 

Microsoft didn't stop production of the Xbox until atleast after the 360 was released, so the earliest they pulled the plug is late 2005 or even early 2006, either way, that's 4 years, so it sold an average of 6 million units a year, which isn't enough for it to have reached your proposed 35 million in one more year. Your fantasy looks even less likely when you consider that the Xbox's sales took a nosedive after the 2004 holiday season.

 

 



 

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Jeronimo66 on 27 April 2009

I couldn't find a link to when they stopped production, but I remember them not making anymore xboxs after holiday 2004, and even if they did stop making them in 2005 it was the no later than march 2005 because they were preparing to have enough 360s at launch, either way that is still 3 and 4 months on the market tops which is still around 8 million per year when you average it out.