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lestatdark said:
binary solo said:
lestatdark said:
GameOver22 said:
lestatdark said:
binary solo said:

Yaaaay finally finished my first run through Demon's Souls. Used a thief with a mid-level magic buff. Ranged attacks FTW!

So just starting NG with him, mostly to get the all magic spells trophy. Have also started one new game as a Soldier, and one with a Wanderer.

But I have to admit to cheating in order to get past the blue dragon. Try as I might I couldn't run past its shooting flames, and that's wioth a thief with high stamina and light on his feet. So standing on the steps quitting the game and re-loading re-sets the dragon down to the lower level, and while its busy flying up to guard the castle entrance I'm running up the stairs. Voila! safe from the flame attacks and shooting the bugger in the head until it's dead.

So, how are you meant to get past the blue dragon without cheating?

Since you're a thief, you probably have high-ish agility. If you're at 30 Agility or are approaching it, you can build yourself a Sticky Compound Longbow 5, which has the best agility damage boost (S). Couple it with a good White Arrows quiver(50 ), a Clever Rat Ring and a Morion's Blade on the off hand, you'll be doing 225% damage if your HP is below 30%. 

At 30 Agility, that means you'll be doing at least over 80 damage per arrow to the Blue Dragon if you hit him on the nearest side of his frame, if you're standing at the entry way just after the stairs were you killed the Red Eyes. Or if you manage to get to the castle entrance and shoot from below, you'll deal a good 110 plus damage if you connect with his head.

i think he is talking about getting past the dragon's fire blast once he flies off to his second perch. I don't think he was actually having trouble damaging it, but your advice on how to damage it is very good. With that set-up, it is amazing how fast the dragon's health depletes.

Ah yes, I misread his original post xD. I had a bit of trouble too, finding the actual timing to run between his flames when he's on the second perch. In that case your advice was spot on.

I also found that wearing two rings of fire resistance and casting Water Veil before running up the stairs can mean the difference between dying and still be left with some HP. Of course, at New Game plus, that only becomes a reality if your character has a lot of HP, at least over 1000, and even then you'd have to hit the 400 fire resistance mark to make it.

So it's just a matter of brute force and bloody mindedness to get past it's flames. Flame protection buff and fire resistance rings, then run like buggery and hope you only get hit once. My thrief didn't have high enough vitality to do it in soul form. I was about to try it in body form when I discovered the "glitch".

In NG can you kill it in 1-1 when its lying there waving its tail to and fro? That way you won't have to meet it in 1-4.

The only time I tried, I did it without the Attack boost of the Clever Rat Ring and Morion Blade. After about 100 or so normal arrows, he just flew away in 1-1. Same thing for the Red Dragon as well.

Also, in NG, both dragons get a 100% HP boost, meaning that Blue Dragon's HP goes all the way to 12K, so you'll need to pack tons of arrows (Heavy Arrows are also good if you don't have enough White Arrows) to kill it, even with the Attack boost method.

That's all right. I took down Blue dragon in 1-4 first time through about 50/50 heavy arrows and Soul arrow. I expect in NG plus I'll use more sould arrow and just need to pack extra fresh/old spice.



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binary solo said:
lestatdark said:
binary solo said:
lestatdark said:
GameOver22 said:
lestatdark said:
binary solo said:

Yaaaay finally finished my first run through Demon's Souls. Used a thief with a mid-level magic buff. Ranged attacks FTW!

So just starting NG with him, mostly to get the all magic spells trophy. Have also started one new game as a Soldier, and one with a Wanderer.

But I have to admit to cheating in order to get past the blue dragon. Try as I might I couldn't run past its shooting flames, and that's wioth a thief with high stamina and light on his feet. So standing on the steps quitting the game and re-loading re-sets the dragon down to the lower level, and while its busy flying up to guard the castle entrance I'm running up the stairs. Voila! safe from the flame attacks and shooting the bugger in the head until it's dead.

So, how are you meant to get past the blue dragon without cheating?

Since you're a thief, you probably have high-ish agility. If you're at 30 Agility or are approaching it, you can build yourself a Sticky Compound Longbow 5, which has the best agility damage boost (S). Couple it with a good White Arrows quiver(50 ), a Clever Rat Ring and a Morion's Blade on the off hand, you'll be doing 225% damage if your HP is below 30%. 

At 30 Agility, that means you'll be doing at least over 80 damage per arrow to the Blue Dragon if you hit him on the nearest side of his frame, if you're standing at the entry way just after the stairs were you killed the Red Eyes. Or if you manage to get to the castle entrance and shoot from below, you'll deal a good 110 plus damage if you connect with his head.

i think he is talking about getting past the dragon's fire blast once he flies off to his second perch. I don't think he was actually having trouble damaging it, but your advice on how to damage it is very good. With that set-up, it is amazing how fast the dragon's health depletes.

Ah yes, I misread his original post xD. I had a bit of trouble too, finding the actual timing to run between his flames when he's on the second perch. In that case your advice was spot on.

I also found that wearing two rings of fire resistance and casting Water Veil before running up the stairs can mean the difference between dying and still be left with some HP. Of course, at New Game plus, that only becomes a reality if your character has a lot of HP, at least over 1000, and even then you'd have to hit the 400 fire resistance mark to make it.

So it's just a matter of brute force and bloody mindedness to get past it's flames. Flame protection buff and fire resistance rings, then run like buggery and hope you only get hit once. My thrief didn't have high enough vitality to do it in soul form. I was about to try it in body form when I discovered the "glitch".

In NG can you kill it in 1-1 when its lying there waving its tail to and fro? That way you won't have to meet it in 1-4.

The only time I tried, I did it without the Attack boost of the Clever Rat Ring and Morion Blade. After about 100 or so normal arrows, he just flew away in 1-1. Same thing for the Red Dragon as well.

Also, in NG, both dragons get a 100% HP boost, meaning that Blue Dragon's HP goes all the way to 12K, so you'll need to pack tons of arrows (Heavy Arrows are also good if you don't have enough White Arrows) to kill it, even with the Attack boost method.

That's all right. I took down Blue dragon in 1-4 first time through about 50/50 heavy arrows and Soul arrow. I expect in NG plus I'll use more sould arrow and just need to pack extra fresh/old spice.

Are you packing both the Insanity Catalyst, Monk's Head Collar and two rings of Magical Sharpness? When equipped with all those items, you'll get a nifty 170% damage boost to all your magical spells (Insanity Catalyst doubles spell damage but halves MP, Monk's Head Collar gives you 30% magical damage boost and Ring of Magical Sharpness gives 20% magical damage boost).



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So I picked this game up in one of the Amazon deals and almost destroyed a controller already. I absolutely HATE having to accept that I lose thousands and thousands of souls after working so hard to get them.

But I'm really liking it. Difficulty reminds me of games back in the day with no remorse. Since I'm a pretty anti-social gamer, I generally don't do much with the online thing. However, I could do with that big Monk Head Collar tornado head thingie. Is it that I have to play boss in 3-3, and kill the host or something?



blunty51 said:

So I picked this game up in one of the Amazon deals and almost destroyed a controller already. I absolutely HATE having to accept that I lose thousands and thousands of souls after working so hard to get them.

But I'm really liking it. Difficulty reminds me of games back in the day with no remorse. Since I'm a pretty anti-social gamer, I generally don't do much with the online thing. However, I could do with that big Monk Head Collar tornado head thingie. Is it that I have to play boss in 3-3, and kill the host or something?

Just imagine this scenario. You've been farming for a Pure Bladestone for about 7 hours, you have near 3 Million Souls, and you get killed randomly by a flying enemy.
You start raging at the game but remind yourself that you can still get the bloodstain. So you approach it carefully, using Thief ring and every trick in the book to go unnoticed by the enemy. Then, when you're approaching the bloodstain, like almost pressing X to get it, you're sniped by an enemy above you that you didn't see... *rage still strong after all this time*.

To get Monk's Head Collar, you'll have to be online in 3-3 as soul form, and when someone passes the boss mist barrier, a soul form player  gets randomly picked to be the boss. You don't have to kill the host, you just need to be picked as the boss fighter, and you'll receive it.



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lestatdark said:

Just imagine this scenario. You've been farming for a Pure Bladestone for about 7 hours, you have near 3 Million Souls, and you get killed randomly by a flying enemy.
You start raging at the game but remind yourself that you can still get the bloodstain. So you approach it carefully, using Thief ring and every trick in the book to go unnoticed by the enemy. Then, when you're approaching the bloodstain, like almost pressing X to get it, you're sniped by an enemy above you that you didn't see... *rage still strong after all this time*.

To get Monk's Head Collar, you'll have to be online in 3-3 as soul form, and when someone passes the boss mist barrier, a soul form player  gets randomly picked to be the boss. You don't have to kill the host, you just need to be picked as the boss fighter, and you'll receive it.


Thanks. Oh and I've already envisioned something like what you describe...I just know it's bound to happen. Only.....wait, did that happen to you? Did you destroy anything in the house? I find it unfathomable that a game in this day and age can be that punishing! Yes!! (well, not really.)

So anyway, I just have to be in 3-3 online in soul form, some random player walks through the boss fog door, then I might get picked to be the boss? No use of stones required or anything? I've read how to do it on wiki but still somewhat confused.



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I know I'm VERY late to the party, but Demon's Souls is one of my personal flagship titles for the PS3.  There is such an old school difficulty to this game that makes it so refreshing to play compared to most games I've played this generation.  I'm on my second play through, and I picked a priest as my character because I normally love bashing the undead with a mace.  It's been a while since I picked up the game, but I'm currently stuck at trying to defeat Selen's brother upon request to trying to find proof of his whereabouts.  I'm somewhere along level 108.  I'll get back to it sometime.  But I would to complete this game at least three times.



blunty51 said:
lestatdark said:

Just imagine this scenario. You've been farming for a Pure Bladestone for about 7 hours, you have near 3 Million Souls, and you get killed randomly by a flying enemy.
You start raging at the game but remind yourself that you can still get the bloodstain. So you approach it carefully, using Thief ring and every trick in the book to go unnoticed by the enemy. Then, when you're approaching the bloodstain, like almost pressing X to get it, you're sniped by an enemy above you that you didn't see... *rage still strong after all this time*.

To get Monk's Head Collar, you'll have to be online in 3-3 as soul form, and when someone passes the boss mist barrier, a soul form player  gets randomly picked to be the boss. You don't have to kill the host, you just need to be picked as the boss fighter, and you'll receive it.


Thanks. Oh and I've already envisioned something like what you describe...I just know it's bound to happen. Only.....wait, did that happen to you? Did you destroy anything in the house? I find it unfathomable that a game in this day and age can be that punishing! Yes!! (well, not really.)

So anyway, I just have to be in 3-3 online in soul form, some random player walks through the boss fog door, then I might get picked to be the boss? No use of stones required or anything? I've read how to do it on wiki but still somewhat confused.

Yeah, earlier this year when I was going for platinum in the game xD. I didn't destroy anything in the house, I was rather calm Or better, in shock, couldn't play or speak anything during a couple of hours.

Hmm, if I recall correctly you do have to use a stone, but I think anyone will do. Just make sure you're summoned as a Black Phantom into the boss room. And you can be anywhere in world 3, I was mistaken earlier, just make sure you set the stone in a place players rarely pass through, like inside a Cell in 3-1 or in the borders of the bridge where the arrow trap was.
Also, you'll need to make sure the host dies and you don't have a 100% chance to get the Monk Head's Collar (I've just read it on demonssouls wikidot, and I find this strange, I'm damn sure this wasn't so back when I played it).



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lestatdark said:

Yeah, earlier this year when I was going for platinum in the game xD. I didn't destroy anything in the house, I was rather calm Or better, in shock, couldn't play or speak anything during a couple of hours.

Hmm, if I recall correctly you do have to use a stone, but I think anyone will do. Just make sure you're summoned as a Black Phantom into the boss room. And you can be anywhere in world 3, I was mistaken earlier, just make sure you set the stone in a place players rarely pass through, like inside a Cell in 3-1 or in the borders of the bridge where the arrow trap was.
Also, you'll need to make sure the host dies and you don't have a 100% chance to get the Monk Head's Collar (I've just read it on demonssouls wikidot, and I find this strange, I'm damn sure this wasn't so back when I played it).


Ahh...well I suppose my time of agony will come.

Thanks for the info. One last thing, when players are summoned like this, are they usually around the same SL?



blunty51 said:
lestatdark said:

Yeah, earlier this year when I was going for platinum in the game xD. I didn't destroy anything in the house, I was rather calm Or better, in shock, couldn't play or speak anything during a couple of hours.

Hmm, if I recall correctly you do have to use a stone, but I think anyone will do. Just make sure you're summoned as a Black Phantom into the boss room. And you can be anywhere in world 3, I was mistaken earlier, just make sure you set the stone in a place players rarely pass through, like inside a Cell in 3-1 or in the borders of the bridge where the arrow trap was.
Also, you'll need to make sure the host dies and you don't have a 100% chance to get the Monk Head's Collar (I've just read it on demonssouls wikidot, and I find this strange, I'm damn sure this wasn't so back when I played it).


Ahh...well I suppose my time of agony will come.

Thanks for the info. One last thing, when players are summoned like this, are they usually around the same SL?

There's a SL gap that's regulated by the formula Host SL plus/minus (Host SL x 0,1)  plus 10. This means that a SL 130 player can summon a SL 90 player,  but a SL 90 player can't summon a SL 130 player, since it's beyond the SL gap for it's current SL.

So usually, the highest SL player is the one doing the summoning, be it for Co-op, item sharing, or Black Phantom hunting.



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LivingMetal said:

I know I'm VERY late to the party, but Demon's Souls is one of my personal flagship titles for the PS3.  There is such an old school difficulty to this game that makes it so refreshing to play compared to most games I've played this generation.  I'm on my second play through, and I picked a priest as my character because I normally love bashing the undead with a mace.  It's been a while since I picked up the game, but I'm currently stuck at trying to defeat Selen's brother upon request to trying to find proof of his whereabouts.  I'm somewhere along level 108.  I'll get back to it sometime.  But I would to complete this game at least three times.

To do that quest, you need to have pure white world tendency. You then need to go to the area where you fought Maiden Astraea. The BP form of Garl Vinland should be there. He's is in the same place as he was during the Maiden Astraea fight. Once you kill him, loot his body to get the Crest of Vinland and return to Selen to complete the quest.