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Tuanniez on 26 April 2009

Mario
Pokemon
GTA
Gran Turismo
Brain Training
Halo
Mario Kart
FF(7,10)

Those are the only gaming franchises that have outsold Crash on the PS1. Everything else hasn't had a sequel yet (Nintendogs etc) or the Sequel sold no were near as high as the 1st one (Donkey Kong, Animal Crossing etc)

Crash has outsold the highest selling NFS so you're wrong there. How many gaming franchises are there? Crash is 8th on the list! It is one of the biggest selling franchises out there.

Don't believe me, check out the million sellers list.



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Kantor on 26 April 2009
infamous8 said:
Tuanniez said:
You do realise that Crash bandicoot is one of the best selling franchises in gaming history? 

No it is not.

 

Mario, PokeMon, Need for Speed, GTA, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, etc etc etc.... just off the top of my head, those are all better selling franchises. I doubt Crash Bandicoot is even in the Top 10 best selling franchises.

 

 

 

Mario and Pokemon are bigger, that I won't deny. Same with GT and GTA. However, the other two...

Best selling Final Fantasy: FF7: 9.72 million

Best selling Crash Bandicoot: Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back: 7.57 million

Best selling Need For Speed: Need For Speed Underground: 6.49 million.

Yeah, Crash was a pretty massive franchise.

Mario is bigger, Wii _ is bigger, GTA is bigger, Gran Turismo is bigger, Final Fantasy is bigger, The Sims and Halo are bigger. Maybe not the top ten, but Crash would easily be in the top 15.

A Crash Bandicoot game was the fifth best selling on PSOne, with another one at sixth, and one at 8th.



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Slimebeast on 26 April 2009
infamous8 said:

It's not a secret. J&D as a franchise, was a failure. But why did it fail?

 

My thoughts...

-The name. Jak and Daxter. Hmmm... it just sounds weird. For one, it's too similar to Ratchet and Clank. Two, it doesnt roll off the tongue like their previous Crash Bandicoot. The name was later turned to simply just "JAK", which is even more plain and generic.

 

I very much agree with this.

Names are extremely important. And 'Jak and Daxter' really sucks.



TT Makaveli on 26 April 2009

failure because the games dont sold as much like the Crash Bandicoot series...you must be crazy...is MGS 4 a failure too cos it doenst sell like mgs2?
also fukk sales if the game is great and the Jak series was more than great!



Christhor on 26 April 2009
Slimebeast said:
infamous8 said:

It's not a secret. J&D as a franchise, was a failure. But why did it fail?

 

My thoughts...

-The name. Jak and Daxter. Hmmm... it just sounds weird. For one, it's too similar to Ratchet and Clank. Two, it doesnt roll off the tongue like their previous Crash Bandicoot. The name was later turned to simply just "JAK", which is even more plain and generic.

 

I very much agree with this.

Names are extremely important. And 'Jak and Daxter' really sucks.

 

Hm... It was the name that made buy the first game, I thought Jak and Daxter sounded awesome. I would've bought the game at some point either because Naughty Dog made it, but it was the name that caught my attention.

Am I the only one who likes the name?



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Kantor on 26 April 2009
Christhor said:
Slimebeast said:
infamous8 said:

It's not a secret. J&D as a franchise, was a failure. But why did it fail?

 

My thoughts...

-The name. Jak and Daxter. Hmmm... it just sounds weird. For one, it's too similar to Ratchet and Clank. Two, it doesnt roll off the tongue like their previous Crash Bandicoot. The name was later turned to simply just "JAK", which is even more plain and generic.

 

I very much agree with this.

Names are extremely important. And 'Jak and Daxter' really sucks.

 

Hm... It was the name that made buy the first game, I thought Jak and Daxter sounded awesome. I would've bought the game at some point either because Naughty Dog made it, but it was the name that caught my attention.

Am I the only one who likes the name?

Come to think of it, it doesn't really sound right. Maybe they just tried to copy "Ratchet and Clank", but that sounds a lot better.

Jak is fine, which is why Jak II and Jak III worked. But Daxter...blargh. Saying "kst" is annoying >_>



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Dgc1808 on 26 April 2009

I disagree with the idea of labeling a series a "Failure" because it didn't sell as high as some of the top sellers in it's genre...

Assassin's Creed is an Action/Sandbox right???? Is it a failure because it doesn't dish out GTA:SA numbers??



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SamuelRSmith on 26 April 2009
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
SamuelRSmith said:
infamous8 said:
Hapimeses said:
infamous8 said:
Hapimeses said:
Jak and Daxter games a failure? Really? Do you believe that?

There were awesome games. They sold loads. They made big profits. What more do people need?

 

They made SMALL profits. Don't forget how much marketing and advertising went into those games.

 

And when one of your BEST DEVELOPERS is just making small profits, it's a failure.

 

 

Do you have any proof of that at all? From what I remember at the time, the games were widely held to be enormously successful and profitable. I'll happily accept your claims if you have an proof of them.

Perhaps not "small" profits...but rather Smaller profits than they expected when creating the series.

Common sense my man. If they were such an enormous success, Jak 4 wouldve come out in 2007 (when Uncharted did), and you'd be seeing Jak 5 at E3 this year.

 

 

 

Your logic fails right here. Naughty Dog not continuing with J&D on the PS3 does not mean it was a failure. My proof? Crash Bandicoot. Naughty Dog dropped CB once they hit the PS2, and that was an awesome-selling franchise.

I loved the Crash games, and I loved the Jak games more. What's more, Uncharted has (for me) more play time than any other Naughty Dog game before it (I've completed it four times now, and I'm working through the fifth, though it's starting to drag a bit, now). I personally think that Naughty Dog should stick to a new franchise a generation.

That's not proof, though, because Universal owned the IP for Crash Bandicoot, and iirc Naughty Dog only had the license to make 3 games. Which is why the series turned to shit after the third one.

Crash Team Racing was a fourth Crash Bandicoot made by Naughty Dog. What's more, you can actually read on the Naughty Dog website that they dropped Crash Bandicoot because "they aren't fond of grass growing beneath their feet".

 



Christhor on 26 April 2009
Kantor said:
Christhor said:
Slimebeast said:
infamous8 said:

It's not a secret. J&D as a franchise, was a failure. But why did it fail?

 

My thoughts...

-The name. Jak and Daxter. Hmmm... it just sounds weird. For one, it's too similar to Ratchet and Clank. Two, it doesnt roll off the tongue like their previous Crash Bandicoot. The name was later turned to simply just "JAK", which is even more plain and generic.

 

I very much agree with this.

Names are extremely important. And 'Jak and Daxter' really sucks.

 

Hm... It was the name that made buy the first game, I thought Jak and Daxter sounded awesome. I would've bought the game at some point either because Naughty Dog made it, but it was the name that caught my attention.

Am I the only one who likes the name?

Come to think of it, it doesn't really sound right. Maybe they just tried to copy "Ratchet and Clank", but that sounds a lot better.

Jak is fine, which is why Jak II and Jak III worked. But Daxter...blargh. Saying "kst" is annoying >_>

 

I doubt that they did that considering that Jak and Daxter came out in 2001 while Ratchet and Clank came out in 2002. :p



Kantor on 26 April 2009
Christhor said:
Kantor said:
Christhor said:
Slimebeast said:
infamous8 said:

It's not a secret. J&D as a franchise, was a failure. But why did it fail?

 

My thoughts...

-The name. Jak and Daxter. Hmmm... it just sounds weird. For one, it's too similar to Ratchet and Clank. Two, it doesnt roll off the tongue like their previous Crash Bandicoot. The name was later turned to simply just "JAK", which is even more plain and generic.

 

I very much agree with this.

Names are extremely important. And 'Jak and Daxter' really sucks.

 

Hm... It was the name that made buy the first game, I thought Jak and Daxter sounded awesome. I would've bought the game at some point either because Naughty Dog made it, but it was the name that caught my attention.

Am I the only one who likes the name?

Come to think of it, it doesn't really sound right. Maybe they just tried to copy "Ratchet and Clank", but that sounds a lot better.

Jak is fine, which is why Jak II and Jak III worked. But Daxter...blargh. Saying "kst" is annoying >_>

 

I doubt that they did that considering that Jak and Daxter came out in 2001 while Ratchet and Clank came out in 2002. :p

Everyone knows that Naughty Dog has a time machine! How do you think they got such awesome graphics in 2007?



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