"Some people only play games with trophies."

That´s really sad, in my opinion.

@Rpruett

Sesitive much? Careful man, might pop a blood vessel.

Learn how to read my post right, before you go in defensive mode so easily.

I said, If trophies wouldn't have been implimented, some people wouldn't hold off on playing games, not knowing if a trophy patch will be released later on.

Achievements are in every 360 game and is a complete system. Wii games not having Achievements is a complete system. I don't care if every game after 2009 gets trophies, that's not my point.

pbroy said: @Rpruett Sesitive much? Careful man, might pop a blood vessel. Learn how to read my post right, before you go in defensive mode so easily. I said, If trophies wouldn't have been implimented, some people wouldn't hold off on playing games, not knowing if a trophy patch will be released later on. Achievements are in every 360 game and is a complete system. Wii games not having Achievements is a complete system. I don't care if every game after 2009 gets trophies, that's not my point.

Oh I assure you,  I'm not in defensive mode.  It was just an utterly retarded post.  Sorry.

 

A. ) This premise that trophies are driving purchases and sales is absolutely and utterly retarded.

B.)  Either Achievements/Trophies matter ... or they don't.   Your argument is totally illogical.  Wii games not having trophies makes it a complete system.  Xbox 360 games having trophies makes it a complete system.  Lol.  That's an argument that a 12 year old would try to make.  I expect better.

 

Probably not. It might be that the only thing that could put PS3 beyond the 360's sales would be the retirement of the 360.

However, it reaches a point where the PS3 is getting enough good games and has enough sales that it doesn't matter how its fared against the 360 because it has shown that it can do well in its own right.

And, I think being able to say we were able to beat the other guys only because we cut the heck out of our console's price is a hollow victory.

A question arises what if PS3 sold so well, it deserved its price cut, but the 360 was just matching prices to guarantee they stayed in second place.

RPG said: Well I was joking about the money hat comment, many people believe that is the reason exclusive games go multi-plat however I do not for most cases. Reason games are on 360 is due to them selling well, simple as. Unless you know about what will be announced at E3 which I know you don't the 360 line up for this year is going to be meh compared to PS3 with games like Forza 3 being announced for this year. Next year is going to be a monster for both Sony and MS, already we have GT5, GOW III vs ME2, LP2, Alan Wake (?) and Splinter Cell Conviction etc. It seems 360 owners are clinging onto hope that E3 will be a monster and announce a few huge games for the rest of the year besides Forza 3 I do not see that happening. It's not like Sony does not have anything left for E3, thing is people forget that the PSP is going "gangbusters" with games announced and we have no idea what come first parties are doing ala Team ICO. People like Zomb1337 which make me think that the 360 only sells due to price, it's not going to last forever kids. :/

 

 

Let me put this lightly for you. Microsoft is playing the poker-face game until E3; imploring anyone who cares about their products not to count their chickens before they hatch (so to speak). PSP is having problems because of Piracy and is being decimated by the DS. I'm starting to believe that Sony has no connection with consumers now that losing third parties made it obvious that consumers couldn't tell much of a difference between them and the 360. For both companies sakes I hope they both have a game plan.

Seihyouken said: Yet the fact remains that the PS3 has outsold the 360 by over 3 million in the same timeframe since launch, despite the fact that it's never once been even close the the price that the 360 launched at. Microsoft better hope that 360 sales never slow down, because the moment they do, PS3 will overtake it in worldwide sales really fast. Unfortunately, the 360 has maybe two $50 price cuts between now and when the next Xbox hits the market, which will likely not be until Q4 2011 at the earliest. 360 sales will begin to dry up without frequent significant price drops to keep sales boosted. We're already seeing the early signs of this with the PS3 outselling it in the past couple months despite being at least $200 more expensive in every region. The same applies to PS3, to a much lesser extent. Now that Sony just about has the PS3's pricing under control, they'll need to issue a consistent stream of price cuts over the next 3 years.

Oh the launch argument again.  Doesnt hold water I am sorry.  The PS3 didnt have the year of waiting for the release of the successor to the most successful console ever.  The 360 did.  What was Sony talk.  Wasnt it something like "The next gen doesnt start until we say it does".  The press played this up, the fandom played this up.  Not until E3 did a chink in the mighty PS3 armor get a dent when the price was announced.  After a few weeks things started to go back to crowning the PS3 as king again, because at the TGS PS3 will change the price.   TGS came and the 20GB was announced and the dent got a little bigger.  The 360 was considered by many a console that would die soon after PS3 launched.  This really had an effect on the first year plus of 360 sales.  When the PS3 didnt take off and the Wii did the market changed.  PS3 has never regained the aura it had before release.

 

txrattlesnake said: Probably not. It might be that the only thing that could put PS3 beyond the 360's sales would be the retirement of the 360. However, it reaches a point where the PS3 is getting enough good games and has enough sales that it doesn't matter how its fared against the 360 because it has shown that it can do well in its own right. And, I think being able to say we were able to beat the other guys only because we cut the heck out of our console's price is a hollow victory. A question arises what if PS3 sold so well, it deserved its price cut, but the 360 was just matching prices to guarantee they stayed in second place.

To be fair, the PS3's price has fallen substantially from launch ($600 to $400) with 12-18(depending on the region) months less on the market than the 360. It's not uncommon for a console in it's 4th year to have dropped like the 360 in price... whereas the PS3 dropped off $200 from its initial price within what... like 12-18 months of launch? and now people are expecting another $100 price cut... That would put the PS3 to 50% it's launch price... and the 360 hasn't done that yet despite being on the market longer.

(Also, 360 versions have added things like HDMI ports, whereas lower cost PS3s have actually dropped functionality... BC, USB slots, etc)

 

richardhutnik said: Apparently, outside of the mentioning of some game titles, the BIG thing now is, "Just wait until Sonly slashes prices on the PS3, then it will beat the 360!" Well, if Sony slashes prices $50 or $100 and Microsoft follows suit, would the PS3 still do gangbusters and take second place?

The PS3 is not going to catch the XBox 360 this year. Whether Sony drops the price $50 or $100. With a $50 price drop, the PS3 will see a nice surge for a few weeks, but then it'll be back to normal. With a $100 price drop, the PS3 sales will be high then the XBox 360 for several months I think, but once the holidays roll in, the Xbox 360 will probably have same sales as the PS3 or slightly better due to the cheap $200 Arcade system. It also depends on WHEN Sony drops the price. Doing at the E3 wouldn't be a bad time, as the PS3 would have sales close or above the Xbox 360 through the summer and still be able to stick with them maybe during the holidays. If Sony waits until the holidays, the XBox 360 lead will continue to grow over the next 5 months. The other big factor is if and when Microsoft does a price drop. Microsoft could easily kill Sony's thunder if they do a price drop immediately after Sony does. I honestly don't think M$ will drop their price until Sony makes the first move. So there are a lot of factors involved. Sony's best bet is to drop the price before the holidays start and hope M$ waits until the holiday to drop their price. Of course the sooner they drop the price, the more money they will lose on each PS3. So it's really a "Catch 22" for them. The best time for Sony would be before Sept.
Sony isn't going to take 2nd place anytime soon. They are over 8 million units behind the XBox 360 in worldwide sales. They were outselling the XBox 360 the beginning of 2008 by about 35-40K units a week. They had gained about 1.3 million units on the XBox 360 before Sept 08 and M$ price drop announcement. They were behind by about 6.2 mill at that time. In just 1 holiday Microsoft's price drop erased that 1.3 million gain Sony got and M$ increased their lead by more then 500K. I truly believe that Sony will only drop $50 off their PS3. Anymore then that will produce millions in loses and Sony doesn't want that.

 

 

Jo21 said: piggychan said: Jo21 said: well 99$ gamecube didn't help nintendo overtake ps2. sony still have to play it big game card, and many price cuts even if 360 gets one. there is going to be a point 360 can't cut put more. or doing so won't do much   problem was that the Gamecube just didnt have many appealing games.. which was one of the reasons I traded mine in for other stuff   game are multiplatform, sony at the end of this gen will have a huge catalog of first party exclusives way bigger than microsoft. thats the thing. and 360 feeling pressure may means things like xbox live free ;)

 

I don't know about that. Sony has a lot of exclusive now and no ones buying them. Look a the poor sales of KZ2, Valkyrie Chronicles, Ratchet and Clank, Motorstorm 2, Resistance 2, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Folklore, MLB The Show 09, etc... The only exclusive for the PS3 that has lived up to sales expectation was MGS IV.  Right now Sony is the one feeling the pressure because they are LAST and their SALES are lower then year, then last year. Meantime, even in a terrible economy like this, the XBox 360 and the Wii both have increased sales. Better sales in 09, then in 08. That's a huge difference. Another price drop by Microsoft and this holiday you won't be able to find an XBox 360. Last holiday the 360 Arcade was very hard to find. The only XBox 360 I even saw were a few Elites. There were plenty of PS3's though. Games are multiplate as you say, and most gamers would rather play those multiplats on a cheaper system. Should I pay $400 to play CoD4, Burnout Paraside, Street Fighter IV, Resident Evil 5 and GTA IV or should I pay $200 or $300? Many of the multiplats have exclusive content only on the XBox 360. I keep hearing PS3 fans complaining about not getting the GTA IV DLC or the Fallout 3 DLC that's exclusive on XBox 360/PC.  I just laugh.

makingmusic476 said: Guys, the 360 is up year over year, and last year it was up over the previous year. It's selling great, and I highly doubt they'd drop the price again just to boost sales up a little. They're probably making a good bit per system sold as it is. Honestly, they have an 8 million lead over the ps3. They're not gonna sacrifice a good bit of profit just to keep the ps3 from outselling them a bit over the holidays. I don't think they're that worried about things. And as far as stealing sales from the ps3 goes, if they're not doing it at the current price points, they'll never do it. If they did for some reason drop the price again this year, it'd probably only be to $179.

This, i think the only way Microsoft will cut price is if Sony does a 100$ price cut. If 360 sells just as good as last year then Microsoft shoudlnt be too concerend, yes the ps3 would most likely outsell 360 in Japan and Europe but dont think it would be enough.