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Desgaia 3 has been i production for awhile now. FF13 also has Vs FF13 so thats a 1 2 punch. MGS 4 and MGS Online 2 seperate game another 1, 2 punch. Tekken 6 a big uppercut. Socom Confrontation brings that great online community back. L.A. Noir is a wildcard as we haven't seen anything new from it but looked great when we saw it. The Agency looks like a MMO with great potential as long as they make it addicitve.
Yakuza 3 Will be a big in japan and we can only hope the bring it over to NA
Resistance 2 is in production similarly to the way R&C was in production before Resistance 1 was released.
Record of Agarest War is a SRPG coming out later this month in japan



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grimygunz said:
Desgaia 3 has been i production for awhile now. FF13 also has Vs FF13 so thats a 1 2 punch. MGS 4 and MGS Online 2 seperate game another 1, 2 punch. Tekken 6 a big uppercut. Socom Confrontation brings that great online community back. L.A. Noir is a wildcard as we haven't seen anything new from it but looked great when we saw it. The Agency looks like a MMO with great potential as long as they make it addicitve.
Yakuza 3 Will be a big in japan and we can only hope the bring it over to NA
Resistance 2 is in production similarly to the way R&C was in production before Resistance 1 was released.
Record of Agarest War is a SRPG coming out later this month in japan

 

Like I said earlier you cant just start listing some lineup and expect it to perform because its been very unpredictable so far. A few months ago we could have all said (for 2007) ...

PS3 has got a great flurry coming up, with NGS the first hard jab, followed by Lair and Warhawk, the double right hooks. Then followed by Heavenly Sword, the KO punch for 07" 

Same for the 360. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata and the soon to be LO was going to be the triple rpg combo that would wake the 360 up in Japan. So far the first 2 blows really havent done that, and LO probably wont do as well as we thought it would a year ago. 

Lineup to lineup all 3 consoles have great stuff coming, so people really need to stop relying on "coming soon" lists every time there is a debate. 



PS360 ftw!

Currently playing..........

Gears of War 2, GTA IV Lost and Damned, Little Big Planet (Yes I said I had no interest but my girl wanted to try it and we did and now Im hooked )

 

 

I think it's a good exercise to compare the PS3 and 360 with aligned launches. If you do you'll see they're selling really close to each other.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=X360&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&align=1

The PS3 is selling nearly exactly how the 360 was. They'll have to really ramp up sales if they want to pass nearly a years worth of advantage.



friedtofu said:
grimygunz said:
Desgaia 3 has been i production for awhile now. FF13 also has Vs FF13 so thats a 1 2 punch. MGS 4 and MGS Online 2 seperate game another 1, 2 punch. Tekken 6 a big uppercut. Socom Confrontation brings that great online community back. L.A. Noir is a wildcard as we haven't seen anything new from it but looked great when we saw it. The Agency looks like a MMO with great potential as long as they make it addicitve.
Yakuza 3 Will be a big in japan and we can only hope the bring it over to NA
Resistance 2 is in production similarly to the way R&C was in production before Resistance 1 was released.
Record of Agarest War is a SRPG coming out later this month in japan

 

Like I said earlier you cant just start listing some lineup and expect it to perform because its been very unpredictable so far. A few months ago we could have all said (for 2007) ...

PS3 has got a great flurry coming up, with NGS the first hard jab, followed by Lair and Warhawk, the double right hooks. Then followed by Heavenly Sword, the KO punch for 07"

Same for the 360. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata and the soon to be LO was going to be the triple rpg combo that would wake the 360 up in Japan. So far the first 2 blows really havent done that, and LO probably wont do as well as we thought it would a year ago.

Lineup to lineup all 3 consoles have great stuff coming, so people really need to stop relying on "coming soon" lists every time there is a debate.


Like I've said multiple times, there's a difference between trusting in tried-and-true series and trusting in new IPs. Sony fans put all their stock in new IPs this year, and look what it did for them. Xbox fans put their faith in Halo 3, and it looks to be turning out great. The opposite is true for next year. Sony fans get MGS4, FFXIII, Tekken 6, GT5, Disgaea 3, Socom 5, etc. etc. etc. but the only tested franchises 360 fans are getting are Ninja Gaiden and possibly Banjo 3. Everything else is a bunch of new IPs like Lost Odyssey and Infinite Undiscovery that could turn out like Lair, and even if they turned out great probably wouldn't help sales very much unless they were marketed like Gears right around the holidays.

Not to mention, just looking at things from a numbers perspective, the ps3's exclusive lineup is going to be much larger than the 360s next year.  It looks like the ps3 may get the quality AND the quantity next year.



makingmusic476 said:

Like I've said multiple times, there's a difference between trusting in tried-and-true series and trusting in new IPs. Sony fans put all their stock in new IPs this year, and look what it did for them...

    Hmm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Hot Shots Golf arent really new IP's.  But hey whatever.



PS360 ftw!

Currently playing..........

Gears of War 2, GTA IV Lost and Damned, Little Big Planet (Yes I said I had no interest but my girl wanted to try it and we did and now Im hooked )

 

 

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good read... but remember when you say MGS, FF and GT hadn't sold less then 8 million on the PS2, you must understand the PS3's install base is pitifully small when compared with the install base of the PS and PS2 at their respective times in their lifetime...



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DS:Lunar Knights, Pokemon Diamond, The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass ,Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Hotel Dusk:Room 215, Mario vs DK 2: March of the Mini's and Picross DS
PS2: Devil May Cry 3:Dante's Awakening, Shadow of the Colosuss, Sega Mega Drive Collection, XIII , Sonic Mega Collection,Fifa 08 and Fifa 09.
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X360: Spider Man
PS3:
Resistance: Fall of Man

 

 

 

 

@ kazs216, remember the PS3's sales were bolstered by the Euro launch...



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Games purchased since December 30th 2006:
GBA:The Legend of Zelda:The Minish Cap
DS:Lunar Knights, Pokemon Diamond, The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass ,Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Hotel Dusk:Room 215, Mario vs DK 2: March of the Mini's and Picross DS
PS2: Devil May Cry 3:Dante's Awakening, Shadow of the Colosuss, Sega Mega Drive Collection, XIII , Sonic Mega Collection,Fifa 08 and Fifa 09.
GC:Fight Night Round 2
Wii VC:Super Mario 64 ,Lylat Wars ,Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Super Castlevania IV, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Streets of Rage, Kirby's Adventure, Super Metroid, Super Mario Bros. 3, Mega Man 2Street Fighter 2 Turbo: Hyper Fighting,Wave Race 64 and Lost Winds

Wii: Sonic and the Secret Rings, Godfather:Blackhand Edition, Red Steel, Tony Hawks Downhill Jam, Eledees, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Mario Strikers Charged Football,Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Mario Galaxy,House of the Dead 2 and 3 Return, Wii Fit, No More Heroes and Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

X360: Spider Man
PS3:
Resistance: Fall of Man

 

 

 

 

friedtofu said:
makingmusic476 said:

Like I've said multiple times, there's a difference between trusting in tried-and-true series and trusting in new IPs. Sony fans put all their stock in new IPs this year, and look what it did for them...

Hmm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Hot Shots Golf arent really new IP's. But hey whatever.


 You know what I meant.  Sony fans put most of their faith in Lair, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, and others.  Sure NGS amd HSG5 were there as well, but that's only two games, and the hype surrounding them was nothing compared to these others.



makingmusic476 said:
friedtofu said:
grimygunz said:
Desgaia 3 has been i production for awhile now. FF13 also has Vs FF13 so thats a 1 2 punch. MGS 4 and MGS Online 2 seperate game another 1, 2 punch. Tekken 6 a big uppercut. Socom Confrontation brings that great online community back. L.A. Noir is a wildcard as we haven't seen anything new from it but looked great when we saw it. The Agency looks like a MMO with great potential as long as they make it addicitve.
Yakuza 3 Will be a big in japan and we can only hope the bring it over to NA
Resistance 2 is in production similarly to the way R&C was in production before Resistance 1 was released.
Record of Agarest War is a SRPG coming out later this month in japan

 

Like I said earlier you cant just start listing some lineup and expect it to perform because its been very unpredictable so far. A few months ago we could have all said (for 2007) ...

PS3 has got a great flurry coming up, with NGS the first hard jab, followed by Lair and Warhawk, the double right hooks. Then followed by Heavenly Sword, the KO punch for 07"

Same for the 360. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata and the soon to be LO was going to be the triple rpg combo that would wake the 360 up in Japan. So far the first 2 blows really havent done that, and LO probably wont do as well as we thought it would a year ago.

Lineup to lineup all 3 consoles have great stuff coming, so people really need to stop relying on "coming soon" lists every time there is a debate.


Like I've said multiple times, there's a difference between trusting in tried-and-true series and trusting in new IPs. Sony fans put all their stock in new IPs this year, and look what it did for them. Xbox fans put their faith in Halo 3, and it looks to be turning out great. The opposite is true for next year. Sony fans get MGS4, FFXIII, Tekken 6, GT5, Disgaea 3, Socom 5, etc. etc. etc. but the only tested franchises 360 fans are getting are Ninja Gaiden and possibly Banjo 3. Everything else is a bunch of new IPs like Lost Odyssey and Infinite Undiscovery that could turn out like Lair, and even if they turned out great probably wouldn't help sales very much unless they were marketed like Gears right around the holidays.

Not to mention, just looking at things from a numbers perspective, the ps3's exclusive lineup is going to be much larger than the 360s next year.  It looks like the ps3 may get the quality AND the quantity next year.


Some of the games you mention for PS3 are a little overhyped... For example Tekken 5 had 1.32 million in sales, Fable had almost double that (2.6 million) and yet Tekken 6 is mentioned for the PS3 and Fable 2 doesn't seem to make the cut for the 360.  Final Fantasy XIII very likely won't come out until 2009.  Is there even a date set for GT5?  What about the exclusive episode packs for GTAIV coming to 360, does the best selling game of last generation's sequel having exclusive content for the 360 not mean much?

I made a prediction in another thread about a month ago that starting from the third week in August the 360 would start outselling the PS3 to such an extent in North America for the rest of the year that not even Japan would be able to offset it.  I really think that the PS3 is going to have a lot of work catching up with the 360 and it'll only do it because of Japan because I truly think they have now lost North America (I think they'll come in third) and they're going to have a much harder time than expected in Europe, to such an extent that there may be no clear victor for second place.



Ishy said:
@ kazs216, remember the PS3's sales were bolstered by the Euro launch...

True.  That's where the PS3 "catches up" and starts matching the 360's first year numbers.  The PS3 in three markets in it's first year is basically matching the 360's first year numbers despite their horrible japan numbers.

When the Euro launch happened really doesn't matter.  If anything it not being simaltanious hurts the PS3 since it "lost" some time in the Euro market.

Either way the PS3 is going to have to make sure it gets boosted a lot to make up that year.  Or at the very least not drop down in sales like the 360 did after year one.  Really it depends on if the PS3 X-mas push matches the 360's X-mas push.  If not MGS, Killzone 2, GT and the rest may be just digging PS3 out of a hole.  Digging out of a hole?  I never got that expression.