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BTFeather55 said:
Legend11 said:
BTFeather55 said:
johnsobas said:
BTFeather55 said:

     I think FFXIII 360 will mainly use the feature of the new 360 dashboard where you can store games to your 360's harddrive to compensate for the lack of space on the 360's dvds.  My question about this is would you let FFXIII take up 45 to 60 gigs on your 360's hard drive to play the game?

No way Microsoft will require let anyone require installs for any game, although it is used as an option if you want to cut down on load times.  I'm sure it's gonna be half the size on 360 as on PS3 and almost be exactly the same thing.

 

 

      I don't know usually when you compress something by half there is a very noticable loss in quality.  Eg.  Dvd quality vs. Blu Ray Quality or those normal videos on youtube compared to their hd versions are examples that come to mind.

 

 

Do you really think the difference will be anything close to Blu-Ray vs. YouTube vidoes?  Come on, be serious.  If they put it on 4 discs (or 5) it'll likely be that the vast majority of people wouldn't even notice a difference.  Hell, the 360 version might end up being superior in the end if it has a better average frame rate or resolution or the actual gaming parts look sharper on it.

 

 That's not what I said.  I said the difference would be DVD vs. Blu-Ray or regular youtube videos versus HD Youtube videos if the 360 version is compressed down to half the size of the uncompressed PS3 version.

 

Oops sorry.. I'm studying for an exam I have tomorrow and just glanced at what you had typed.



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Onyxmeth said:

Am I completely missing the joke here or is everyone in this topic this severely misinformed?

I was about to ask the same question...

 



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starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:

Am I completely missing the joke here or is everyone in this topic this severely misinformed?

I was about to ask the same question...

 

You and I might be the only two in the thread that have actually installed a game onto the 360. Everyone else here is under the assumption it's some magical all-in-one fix to any conceivable problem in game design.

 



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Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:

Am I completely missing the joke here or is everyone in this topic this severely misinformed?

I was about to ask the same question...

You and I might be the only two in the thread that have actually installed a game onto the 360. Everyone else here is under the assumption it's some magical all-in-one fix to any conceivable problem in game design.

I've had mixed experiences.  Noticable performance improvements for Mass Effect, but no real difference for Fable 2.

As someone who has a 20GB HDD, and knows people with no HDD, the idea of a compulsory 45-60GB HDD install is certainly an entertaining one...

 



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BTFeather55 said:

     I think FFXIII 360 will mainly use the feature of the new 360 dashboard where you can store games to your 360's harddrive to compensate for the lack of space on the 360's dvds.  My question about this is would you let FFXIII take up 45 to 60 gigs on your 360's hard drive to play the game?

No. I doubt FFXIII will be 45 to 60GB file. FFXIII will be more like a 30 to 40GB file. I only have a 20GB HDD and no way would I install the game on it I would have no space left, only 10GB remaining. I do not intend buying a larger HDD drive just to install games and play demos or store all music CDs to.

 



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starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:

Am I completely missing the joke here or is everyone in this topic this severely misinformed?

I was about to ask the same question...

You and I might be the only two in the thread that have actually installed a game onto the 360. Everyone else here is under the assumption it's some magical all-in-one fix to any conceivable problem in game design.

I've had mixed experiences.  Noticable performance improvements for Mass Effect, but no real difference for Fable 2.

As someone who has a 20GB HDD, and knows people with no HDD, the idea of a compulsory 45-60GB HDD install is certainly an entertaining one...

 

I love the high end of that "educated" guess...60GB. So two Blu Rays then for a miniscule overspill in gigabytes?

I still don't get exactly what a hard drive install on the 360 is going to do to fix the space issues of DVDs when you need to insert DVDs to create the install in the first place.

 



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Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:

Am I completely missing the joke here or is everyone in this topic this severely misinformed?

I was about to ask the same question...

You and I might be the only two in the thread that have actually installed a game onto the 360. Everyone else here is under the assumption it's some magical all-in-one fix to any conceivable problem in game design.

I've had mixed experiences.  Noticable performance improvements for Mass Effect, but no real difference for Fable 2.

As someone who has a 20GB HDD, and knows people with no HDD, the idea of a compulsory 45-60GB HDD install is certainly an entertaining one...

I love the high end of that "educated" guess...60GB. So two Blu Rays then for a miniscule overspill in gigabytes?

I still don't get exactly what a hard drive install on the 360 is going to do to fix the space issues of DVDs when you need to insert DVDs to create the install in the first place.

Square is probably going to use incredible compression that will turn 6.7GB on a DVD into 45-60GB on a HDD, or take advantage of the epic download speeds every Xbox 360 on the planet has.  You will put an activation DVD into your Xbox 360 and then the entire game will download to the HDD in two minutes.

Sony's Blu-Ray has the capacity to hold 200GB.  Sony will give the PS3 a firmware update allowing it to play all Blu-Ray's, so that the 60GB game will fit on one disk.

 



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starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:

Am I completely missing the joke here or is everyone in this topic this severely misinformed?

I was about to ask the same question...

You and I might be the only two in the thread that have actually installed a game onto the 360. Everyone else here is under the assumption it's some magical all-in-one fix to any conceivable problem in game design.

I've had mixed experiences.  Noticable performance improvements for Mass Effect, but no real difference for Fable 2.

As someone who has a 20GB HDD, and knows people with no HDD, the idea of a compulsory 45-60GB HDD install is certainly an entertaining one...

I love the high end of that "educated" guess...60GB. So two Blu Rays then for a miniscule overspill in gigabytes?

I still don't get exactly what a hard drive install on the 360 is going to do to fix the space issues of DVDs when you need to insert DVDs to create the install in the first place.

Square is probably going to use incredible compression that will turn 6.7GB on a DVD into 45-60GB on a HDD, or take advantage of the epic download speeds every Xbox 360 on the planet has.  You will put an activation DVD into your Xbox 360 and then the entire game will download to the HDD in two minutes.

Sony's Blu-Ray has the capacity to hold 200GB.  Sony will give the PS3 a firmware update allowing it to play all Blu-Ray's, so that the 60GB game will fit on one disk.

 

Maybe the install disc will be in a zip file, and Square will allow you to download Winzip off the 360 that is compatible with the console.

The problem with a 200GB Blu Ray disc is that once you give them the option, Square is going to feel forced to spend millions more in development costs and take years longer to come out just to fulfill their everlasting need to fill the disc to capacity. It seems to be the ever loving dream of all PS3 developers.

 



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Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:
starcraft said:
Onyxmeth said:

Am I completely missing the joke here or is everyone in this topic this severely misinformed?

I was about to ask the same question...

You and I might be the only two in the thread that have actually installed a game onto the 360. Everyone else here is under the assumption it's some magical all-in-one fix to any conceivable problem in game design.

I've had mixed experiences.  Noticable performance improvements for Mass Effect, but no real difference for Fable 2.

As someone who has a 20GB HDD, and knows people with no HDD, the idea of a compulsory 45-60GB HDD install is certainly an entertaining one...

I love the high end of that "educated" guess...60GB. So two Blu Rays then for a miniscule overspill in gigabytes?

I still don't get exactly what a hard drive install on the 360 is going to do to fix the space issues of DVDs when you need to insert DVDs to create the install in the first place.

Square is probably going to use incredible compression that will turn 6.7GB on a DVD into 45-60GB on a HDD, or take advantage of the epic download speeds every Xbox 360 on the planet has.  You will put an activation DVD into your Xbox 360 and then the entire game will download to the HDD in two minutes.

Sony's Blu-Ray has the capacity to hold 200GB.  Sony will give the PS3 a firmware update allowing it to play all Blu-Ray's, so that the 60GB game will fit on one disk.

 

Maybe the install disc will be in a zip file, and Square will allow you to download Winzip off the 360 that is compatible with the console.

The problem with a 200GB Blu Ray disc is that once you give them the option, Square is going to feel forced to spend millions more in development costs and take years longer to come out just to fulfill their everlasting need to fill the disc to capacity. It seems to be the ever loving dream of all PS3 developers.

 

+1 Onyxmeth

 



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Onyxmeth said:
1337 Gamer said:
the 360 version will not take up 45-60 GB. Alot of the reason PS3 games take up so much memory is only partially due to the HD visuals but alot of the data us redundant on the disk to help improve load times because BD read is only 2X on the PS3. the 360 has a 12X dvd drive so it dosnt need this redundant code.

dont quote me but i swear i read this in an assload of places a couple years ago

I'm also asking not to be quoted on this, but I do believe this is true, however slightly misleading. It would appear that the drive is 6x slower on the PS3, but if I remember correctly, Blu Rays do not need to spin as fast to read the same data. I think the discrepancy is only 2:1 in favor of the 360's DVD drive. It might be a little less or more though.

 

 

I just created a thread on this because I think a lot of people should read it, and I don't want to derail this thread. So click the linky.

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=69058

 

PS: The answer is, slightly less than 2:1