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Slimebeast on 28 April 2009

^and this feature comes in DX11, or is it in DX10 already?



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Squilliam on 28 April 2009

Direct X 11 is when its implemented. The real thing is the compute shader, I want to see how a dual GPU card with 3TFlops of performance stacks up against a modern Cell processor.



Tease.

JaggedSac on 28 April 2009
salaminizer said:

Trollstyle:

matchmaking is a worthless piece of shit that only works for casual console FPS with 8-player max that rely on P2P hosting.

with that said, I think that it works for certain games (RTS) and other ones such as L4D but WITHOUT removing the ability to CHOOSE a dedicated server to play. L4D has left the server browser as borked option, and added an extra layer of difficulty with the whole group thing. they even tried to add matchmaking-like shit in TF2/DOD (the map list), but I doubt anyone use it. and what's worse, it constantly puts me in a game with Europeans, that's bullshit.

and teamspeak/ventrilo exists for ages, most game servers even have one teamspeak servers, with public rooms too.

I happen to find very few laggy games in Halo 3.  Even with 16 players.  Matchmaking is better from a competition stand point, not sure what is so casual about that.  I like the idea of a match, no joining players.  If you win, it is because you are better than the people who started on the other team,  no swapping, no joining.  Yes, quitting can be a problem, but it is not that big of an issue.  I enjoy playing with a party of four guys and constantly getting a new, equally skilled group of 4 guys to play against.  Not just mixing up the people from the previous game.  And once again, lag has never been a problem for me on Halo 3.

And yes, teamspeak is available, but if you think voice chat is as prevalent on the pc as it is on Live, you have to be kidding yourself.  But from vlad's point of view, that is not a bad thing.  I, for one, use the hell out of it.  And mainly for team play, not trash talking.

 



vlad321 on 28 April 2009
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:

Why would he? You're not exactly the most reasonable and rational poster here.

 

 

Actually, there's a thread out there (one of those religioni/god/beliefs) where Kasz gave me valid, true, applicable arguments and I honestly conceeded to him. The problem is very few people can give me valid arguments, not my fault most fail.

You have some very strong preconceived notions about gaming topics, and in a way getting you to change them is like shifting someone to a new god. So of course no argument is ever going to be valid enough.

 

 

Man, I JUST covered that scenario in the very text you quoted. It's like you have selective reading. It's not my fault most people fail to present any valid arguments which fail to stand up on their own when they go through scrutiniy in the shower.

 

You yourself don't make valid arguments. Therefore you cannot hold others to the same standard.

"

I think matchmaking is retarded, it's nice to have but only as a back up to normal server choosing. It'd be nice to jump in a game of equal ranked players, however that's not always the case. More often than not you want specific mods, addons, etc. on the server with specific rules, settings, etc. Something most console players don't even understand since mods/addons/settings/etc. don't even exist the way they do on the PC."

Invalid: Most PC gamers play without mods, so how can they use them more often than not?

"Why PC onine is better? First off, as stated earlier, avergae Joe generally plays on consoles (not saying everyone that plays is an idiot, even I have to play so I can call games shitty), and as I stated earlier, average Joe is a fucking idiot. What's worse is that I don't have a nice little chat interface as a buffer and I have to listen to said idiots to actually communicate in the game."

Invalid: If Shio is right about the sheer number of PC gamers, there have to be more 'average' people playing PC games than console games. Therefore is the average PC gamer a fucking idiot? Your words not mine. Furthermore due to the fact that pretty much every PC is connected to the internet you'll find more 'fucking idiots' on PC game servers.

 

 

 

 

The problem here is that I have the OPTION to play matchmaking or choose my own servers in PC games. I have the OPTION of talking or not  and listening or not to people and still being able to communicate. I have the OPTION to play with mods on or off.I have those OPTIONS, and I'm not shoehorned into one of them. That's why the PC online is so much better than the Console ones. It just has far more possibilities.

 

Also it's false about the mods assumption. Find9ing a vanilla WCIII is far harder than finding a DOTA game. Finding a UT2004 server now is even harder than that. Oblivion is utter PoS instead just mediocre without any of the mods on PCs. UTIII has become quite like UT2004 now too, it's harder to find a vanilla game than one without mods. Overall I fail to see where you are getting the idea that people play more vanilla and less mods. The only game wehre I can consistently find vanilla servers are L4D and TF2. And isn't TF2 just a mod of HL2 anyhow?

 

As for the idiots, at least those idiots know how to get their PC to run a simple game. More than I can say for most console gamers. From what I hear it's a painfully difficult process, hence they play on consoles and not PCs. I will give you the fact that WoW has an astouding amount of idiots, but at least I don't have to listen to them, I can choose not to read, it's far harder to choose not to hear.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

GamingChartzFTW on 28 April 2009
noname2200 said:

http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2009/

 

 

Lots.

 

 

Wow! D:

That's a pretty solid 2009 list.

 



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Cueil on 30 April 2009
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:

Why would he? You're not exactly the most reasonable and rational poster here.

 

 

Actually, there's a thread out there (one of those religioni/god/beliefs) where Kasz gave me valid, true, applicable arguments and I honestly conceeded to him. The problem is very few people can give me valid arguments, not my fault most fail.

You have some very strong preconceived notions about gaming topics, and in a way getting you to change them is like shifting someone to a new god. So of course no argument is ever going to be valid enough.

 

 

Man, I JUST covered that scenario in the very text you quoted. It's like you have selective reading. It's not my fault most people fail to present any valid arguments which fail to stand up on their own when they go through scrutiniy in the shower.

 

You yourself don't make valid arguments. Therefore you cannot hold others to the same standard.

"

I think matchmaking is retarded, it's nice to have but only as a back up to normal server choosing. It'd be nice to jump in a game of equal ranked players, however that's not always the case. More often than not you want specific mods, addons, etc. on the server with specific rules, settings, etc. Something most console players don't even understand since mods/addons/settings/etc. don't even exist the way they do on the PC."

Invalid: Most PC gamers play without mods, so how can they use them more often than not?

"Why PC onine is better? First off, as stated earlier, avergae Joe generally plays on consoles (not saying everyone that plays is an idiot, even I have to play so I can call games shitty), and as I stated earlier, average Joe is a fucking idiot. What's worse is that I don't have a nice little chat interface as a buffer and I have to listen to said idiots to actually communicate in the game."

Invalid: If Shio is right about the sheer number of PC gamers, there have to be more 'average' people playing PC games than console games. Therefore is the average PC gamer a fucking idiot? Your words not mine. Furthermore due to the fact that pretty much every PC is connected to the internet you'll find more 'fucking idiots' on PC game servers.

 

 

 

 

The problem here is that I have the OPTION to play matchmaking or choose my own servers in PC games. I have the OPTION of talking or not  and listening or not to people and still being able to communicate. I have the OPTION to play with mods on or off.I have those OPTIONS, and I'm not shoehorned into one of them. That's why the PC online is so much better than the Console ones. It just has far more possibilities.

 

Also it's false about the mods assumption. Find9ing a vanilla WCIII is far harder than finding a DOTA game. Finding a UT2004 server now is even harder than that. Oblivion is utter PoS instead just mediocre without any of the mods on PCs. UTIII has become quite like UT2004 now too, it's harder to find a vanilla game than one without mods. Overall I fail to see where you are getting the idea that people play more vanilla and less mods. The only game wehre I can consistently find vanilla servers are L4D and TF2. And isn't TF2 just a mod of HL2 anyhow?

 

As for the idiots, at least those idiots know how to get their PC to run a simple game. More than I can say for most console gamers. From what I hear it's a painfully difficult process, hence they play on consoles and not PCs. I will give you the fact that WoW has an astouding amount of idiots, but at least I don't have to listen to them, I can choose not to read, it's far harder to choose not to hear.

Muting voices on Live are User based... so mute them once muted in any game you play... much better than dealing with a jerk who has multipul characters harassing you.  There is something I enjoy about playing on Xbox Live that I just don't get out of a PC MP experience and that's is that I have way better pick up groups.  It's not as awesome as going to Drippy's 2Fort on TFC and jumping in with a bunch of crazy awesome people, but it has its benefits.  TF2 is a mod of HL2 about as much as L4D is. 

 



 
Get your Portable ID!

FKNetwork on 30 April 2009
Cueil said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:

Why would he? You're not exactly the most reasonable and rational poster here.

 

 

Actually, there's a thread out there (one of those religioni/god/beliefs) where Kasz gave me valid, true, applicable arguments and I honestly conceeded to him. The problem is very few people can give me valid arguments, not my fault most fail.

You have some very strong preconceived notions about gaming topics, and in a way getting you to change them is like shifting someone to a new god. So of course no argument is ever going to be valid enough.

 

 

Man, I JUST covered that scenario in the very text you quoted. It's like you have selective reading. It's not my fault most people fail to present any valid arguments which fail to stand up on their own when they go through scrutiniy in the shower.

 

You yourself don't make valid arguments. Therefore you cannot hold others to the same standard.

"

I think matchmaking is retarded, it's nice to have but only as a back up to normal server choosing. It'd be nice to jump in a game of equal ranked players, however that's not always the case. More often than not you want specific mods, addons, etc. on the server with specific rules, settings, etc. Something most console players don't even understand since mods/addons/settings/etc. don't even exist the way they do on the PC."

Invalid: Most PC gamers play without mods, so how can they use them more often than not?

"Why PC onine is better? First off, as stated earlier, avergae Joe generally plays on consoles (not saying everyone that plays is an idiot, even I have to play so I can call games shitty), and as I stated earlier, average Joe is a fucking idiot. What's worse is that I don't have a nice little chat interface as a buffer and I have to listen to said idiots to actually communicate in the game."

Invalid: If Shio is right about the sheer number of PC gamers, there have to be more 'average' people playing PC games than console games. Therefore is the average PC gamer a fucking idiot? Your words not mine. Furthermore due to the fact that pretty much every PC is connected to the internet you'll find more 'fucking idiots' on PC game servers.

 

 

 

 

The problem here is that I have the OPTION to play matchmaking or choose my own servers in PC games. I have the OPTION of talking or not  and listening or not to people and still being able to communicate. I have the OPTION to play with mods on or off.I have those OPTIONS, and I'm not shoehorned into one of them. That's why the PC online is so much better than the Console ones. It just has far more possibilities.

 

Also it's false about the mods assumption. Find9ing a vanilla WCIII is far harder than finding a DOTA game. Finding a UT2004 server now is even harder than that. Oblivion is utter PoS instead just mediocre without any of the mods on PCs. UTIII has become quite like UT2004 now too, it's harder to find a vanilla game than one without mods. Overall I fail to see where you are getting the idea that people play more vanilla and less mods. The only game wehre I can consistently find vanilla servers are L4D and TF2. And isn't TF2 just a mod of HL2 anyhow?

 

As for the idiots, at least those idiots know how to get their PC to run a simple game. More than I can say for most console gamers. From what I hear it's a painfully difficult process, hence they play on consoles and not PCs. I will give you the fact that WoW has an astouding amount of idiots, but at least I don't have to listen to them, I can choose not to read, it's far harder to choose not to hear.

Muting voices on Live are User based... so mute them once muted in any game you play... much better than dealing with a jerk who has multipul characters harassing you.  There is something I enjoy about playing on Xbox Live that I just don't get out of a PC MP experience and that's is that I have way better pick up groups.  It's not as awesome as going to Drippy's 2Fort on TFC and jumping in with a bunch of crazy awesome people, but it has its benefits.  TF2 is a mod of HL2 about as much as L4D is. 

 

Totally agree!

It's a shame vlad thinks everyone should be agreeing with him when hardly anyone does lol,

 



vlad321 on 30 April 2009
Cueil said:
vlad321 said:

 

The problem here is that I have the OPTION to play matchmaking or choose my own servers in PC games. I have the OPTION of talking or not  and listening or not to people and still being able to communicate. I have the OPTION to play with mods on or off.I have those OPTIONS, and I'm not shoehorned into one of them. That's why the PC online is so much better than the Console ones. It just has far more possibilities.

 

Also it's false about the mods assumption. Find9ing a vanilla WCIII is far harder than finding a DOTA game. Finding a UT2004 server now is even harder than that. Oblivion is utter PoS instead just mediocre without any of the mods on PCs. UTIII has become quite like UT2004 now too, it's harder to find a vanilla game than one without mods. Overall I fail to see where you are getting the idea that people play more vanilla and less mods. The only game wehre I can consistently find vanilla servers are L4D and TF2. And isn't TF2 just a mod of HL2 anyhow?

 

As for the idiots, at least those idiots know how to get their PC to run a simple game. More than I can say for most console gamers. From what I hear it's a painfully difficult process, hence they play on consoles and not PCs. I will give you the fact that WoW has an astouding amount of idiots, but at least I don't have to listen to them, I can choose not to read, it's far harder to choose not to hear.

Muting voices on Live are User based... so mute them once muted in any game you play... much better than dealing with a jerk who has multipul characters harassing you.  There is something I enjoy about playing on Xbox Live that I just don't get out of a PC MP experience and that's is that I have way better pick up groups.  It's not as awesome as going to Drippy's 2Fort on TFC and jumping in with a bunch of crazy awesome people, but it has its benefits.  TF2 is a mod of HL2 about as much as L4D is. 

 

See, I don't want to do that, because they may actually say something important in an important time of the match. I haven't ignored 1 person on WoW either, for the same reason, and I think we can agree WoW's population can be far more immature. If it wass text I just would get the first word and move on, if it was important I'd finish it, if ont I wouldn't bother with the idiot. Honestly, my experience with Live is that I find more idiots than not, and since it's matchmaking I can't just start going to the same server expecting to see the same people pop in and out.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 on 30 April 2009
FKNetwork said:
Cueil said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:

Why would he? You're not exactly the most reasonable and rational poster here.

 

 

Actually, there's a thread out there (one of those religioni/god/beliefs) where Kasz gave me valid, true, applicable arguments and I honestly conceeded to him. The problem is very few people can give me valid arguments, not my fault most fail.

You have some very strong preconceived notions about gaming topics, and in a way getting you to change them is like shifting someone to a new god. So of course no argument is ever going to be valid enough.

 

 

Man, I JUST covered that scenario in the very text you quoted. It's like you have selective reading. It's not my fault most people fail to present any valid arguments which fail to stand up on their own when they go through scrutiniy in the shower.

 

You yourself don't make valid arguments. Therefore you cannot hold others to the same standard.

"

I think matchmaking is retarded, it's nice to have but only as a back up to normal server choosing. It'd be nice to jump in a game of equal ranked players, however that's not always the case. More often than not you want specific mods, addons, etc. on the server with specific rules, settings, etc. Something most console players don't even understand since mods/addons/settings/etc. don't even exist the way they do on the PC."

Invalid: Most PC gamers play without mods, so how can they use them more often than not?

"Why PC onine is better? First off, as stated earlier, avergae Joe generally plays on consoles (not saying everyone that plays is an idiot, even I have to play so I can call games shitty), and as I stated earlier, average Joe is a fucking idiot. What's worse is that I don't have a nice little chat interface as a buffer and I have to listen to said idiots to actually communicate in the game."

Invalid: If Shio is right about the sheer number of PC gamers, there have to be more 'average' people playing PC games than console games. Therefore is the average PC gamer a fucking idiot? Your words not mine. Furthermore due to the fact that pretty much every PC is connected to the internet you'll find more 'fucking idiots' on PC game servers.

 

 

 

 

The problem here is that I have the OPTION to play matchmaking or choose my own servers in PC games. I have the OPTION of talking or not  and listening or not to people and still being able to communicate. I have the OPTION to play with mods on or off.I have those OPTIONS, and I'm not shoehorned into one of them. That's why the PC online is so much better than the Console ones. It just has far more possibilities.

 

Also it's false about the mods assumption. Find9ing a vanilla WCIII is far harder than finding a DOTA game. Finding a UT2004 server now is even harder than that. Oblivion is utter PoS instead just mediocre without any of the mods on PCs. UTIII has become quite like UT2004 now too, it's harder to find a vanilla game than one without mods. Overall I fail to see where you are getting the idea that people play more vanilla and less mods. The only game wehre I can consistently find vanilla servers are L4D and TF2. And isn't TF2 just a mod of HL2 anyhow?

 

As for the idiots, at least those idiots know how to get their PC to run a simple game. More than I can say for most console gamers. From what I hear it's a painfully difficult process, hence they play on consoles and not PCs. I will give you the fact that WoW has an astouding amount of idiots, but at least I don't have to listen to them, I can choose not to read, it's far harder to choose not to hear.

Muting voices on Live are User based... so mute them once muted in any game you play... much better than dealing with a jerk who has multipul characters harassing you.  There is something I enjoy about playing on Xbox Live that I just don't get out of a PC MP experience and that's is that I have way better pick up groups.  It's not as awesome as going to Drippy's 2Fort on TFC and jumping in with a bunch of crazy awesome people, but it has its benefits.  TF2 is a mod of HL2 about as much as L4D is. 

 

Totally agree!

It's a shame vlad thinks everyone should be agreeing with him when hardly anyone does lol,

 

 

Most people like Automatic over manual, doesn't make it any less inferior.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

FKNetwork on 30 April 2009
vlad321 said:
FKNetwork said:
Cueil said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:

Why would he? You're not exactly the most reasonable and rational poster here.

 

 

Actually, there's a thread out there (one of those religioni/god/beliefs) where Kasz gave me valid, true, applicable arguments and I honestly conceeded to him. The problem is very few people can give me valid arguments, not my fault most fail.

You have some very strong preconceived notions about gaming topics, and in a way getting you to change them is like shifting someone to a new god. So of course no argument is ever going to be valid enough.

 

 

Man, I JUST covered that scenario in the very text you quoted. It's like you have selective reading. It's not my fault most people fail to present any valid arguments which fail to stand up on their own when they go through scrutiniy in the shower.

 

You yourself don't make valid arguments. Therefore you cannot hold others to the same standard.

"

I think matchmaking is retarded, it's nice to have but only as a back up to normal server choosing. It'd be nice to jump in a game of equal ranked players, however that's not always the case. More often than not you want specific mods, addons, etc. on the server with specific rules, settings, etc. Something most console players don't even understand since mods/addons/settings/etc. don't even exist the way they do on the PC."

Invalid: Most PC gamers play without mods, so how can they use them more often than not?

"Why PC onine is better? First off, as stated earlier, avergae Joe generally plays on consoles (not saying everyone that plays is an idiot, even I have to play so I can call games shitty), and as I stated earlier, average Joe is a fucking idiot. What's worse is that I don't have a nice little chat interface as a buffer and I have to listen to said idiots to actually communicate in the game."

Invalid: If Shio is right about the sheer number of PC gamers, there have to be more 'average' people playing PC games than console games. Therefore is the average PC gamer a fucking idiot? Your words not mine. Furthermore due to the fact that pretty much every PC is connected to the internet you'll find more 'fucking idiots' on PC game servers.

 

 

 

 

The problem here is that I have the OPTION to play matchmaking or choose my own servers in PC games. I have the OPTION of talking or not  and listening or not to people and still being able to communicate. I have the OPTION to play with mods on or off.I have those OPTIONS, and I'm not shoehorned into one of them. That's why the PC online is so much better than the Console ones. It just has far more possibilities.

 

Also it's false about the mods assumption. Find9ing a vanilla WCIII is far harder than finding a DOTA game. Finding a UT2004 server now is even harder than that. Oblivion is utter PoS instead just mediocre without any of the mods on PCs. UTIII has become quite like UT2004 now too, it's harder to find a vanilla game than one without mods. Overall I fail to see where you are getting the idea that people play more vanilla and less mods. The only game wehre I can consistently find vanilla servers are L4D and TF2. And isn't TF2 just a mod of HL2 anyhow?

 

As for the idiots, at least those idiots know how to get their PC to run a simple game. More than I can say for most console gamers. From what I hear it's a painfully difficult process, hence they play on consoles and not PCs. I will give you the fact that WoW has an astouding amount of idiots, but at least I don't have to listen to them, I can choose not to read, it's far harder to choose not to hear.

Muting voices on Live are User based... so mute them once muted in any game you play... much better than dealing with a jerk who has multipul characters harassing you.  There is something I enjoy about playing on Xbox Live that I just don't get out of a PC MP experience and that's is that I have way better pick up groups.  It's not as awesome as going to Drippy's 2Fort on TFC and jumping in with a bunch of crazy awesome people, but it has its benefits.  TF2 is a mod of HL2 about as much as L4D is. 

 

Totally agree!

It's a shame vlad thinks everyone should be agreeing with him when hardly anyone does lol,

 

 

Most people like Automatic over manual, doesn't make it any less inferior.

And that has loads to do with this topic.......