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Most of these tea parties were started by grassroots libertarians, constitutionalists, dems, and rebs. Most come from organizations like campaign for liberty and young Americans for liberty who don't even support major left or right candidates. The mainstream media is turning this into a right vs left thing. Remember right, left, they are all the same, they sleep in the same bed, serve the same masters.



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theprof00 said:
@kasz
you critiszied me for not siding with extreme liberals.

@halo
"commi network", really? I can see that talking to you would be constructive.

@happysquirrel
Moving to another country is different than saying they are going to secede by force.

No... I'm critisizing you for being a hypocrit.  You have no problem with a number of protests.  Yet have problems with other protests. 

Telling some people to grow up when others are doing or have done the same thing... and you support the others.

You aren't critisizing their viewpoints.  Your critisizing the fact that they are protesting.

One protest is no different then the next.



So then you support things like secession? And the war in Iraq?

I'm no being a hypocrit because I am not going against what I've said. This protest is not constructive. It is a response to the government that they didn't elect.
They are upset that they lost.

Other protests have actually been about something. Anti-war, anti-g20, anti-whatever. I'm supporting people that actually have a legitimate agenda. I never downplayed any protests that I didn't disagree with. I never said anti-g20 protesters were stupid.

"one protest is no different from the next"- is this the kind of logic I'm dealing with here? Everything is the same?



theprof00 said:
So then you support things like secession? And the war in Iraq?

I'm no being a hypocrit because I am not going against what I've said. This protest is not constructive. It is a response to the government that they didn't elect.
They are upset that they lost.

Other protests have actually been about something. Anti-war, anti-g20, anti-whatever. I'm supporting people that actually have a legitimate agenda. I never downplayed any protests that I didn't disagree with. I never said anti-g20 protesters were stupid.

"one protest is no different from the next"- is this the kind of logic I'm dealing with here? Everything is the same?

No.  I don't support either.

I don't support racism either but if the KKK wants to hold a protest about how whites are being put down opon i'm not going to suggest that protests are people acting ridiculious.

The act of protesting is not childish.

Furthermore... it's obviouslly not really about secession but a protest about the giant amounts of money we are spending.  Of which there is no proof either way whether it's a good move or not.



For example your statement...

"This is bullshit. Grow up people. Patriotism is doing what is best for the country, not what is best for yourselves. In a democracy, the majority makes the decisions. If someone is voted into office whose views you disagree with, chances are they are going to make decisions that you will disagree with. That doesn't make the person voted into office a socialist or a tyrant. It just makes you shit outta luck for four years. Welcome to the USA. Better luck next time."

...would fit equally to people like Susan B Anthony others in support for Woman's sufferage, Civil Rights and a number of other issues.



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Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
So then you support things like secession? And the war in Iraq?

No.  I don't support either.

 

Why don't you support secession? Or do you just mean you don't support doing it now?

As a states right, I support secession. If that state, and its people, feel the US is not living up to its end of the deal, they should have a right to leave the union. I don't however, think we are remotely there yet.



This isn't about protesting per se kasz. Like, I said in the OP, this is a trend in America that wants to see this administration fail, at the risk of the success of the country. I also made the point in the OP that the original rebellious act was based on "taxation without representation". In keeping with the message of the original tea parties it provides a scary revelation.

Also, on a side note. Your point is just that people should be allowed to protest whatever they want, and you really hold no position or opinion of any kind besides that one, correct?

If so, then sure. You are right to have your opinion, and I am right to have mine, by your own logic.



theprof00 said:
Like, I said in the OP, this is a trend in America that wants to see this administration fail, at the risk of the success of the country.

 

Not remotely. There are people in this country, who think the course of action we are on can only lead to failure for the country, and are acting out to try and prevent it.

I know of no one who wants the US to fail, just so Obama looks bad.



@mafoo
that's the thing. Who is to say that those people are correct?

Uh, Rush Limbaugh does. And I'm sure a lot of people do besides him.



theprof00 said:
@mafoo
that's the thing. Who is to say that those people are correct?

Uh, Rush Limbaugh does. And I'm sure a lot of people do besides him.

 

History and common sense.

If you realized you were spending more money they you were making, would you solve that problem by increasing your expenses?

We now have a budget of 3.5 trillion. We will collect under 2 trillion. Obama's administration has yet to explain how this is sustainable. When asked, he says we will cross that bridge when we get there. What kind of answer is that?

As a libertarian, the only thing that outrages me is that people didn't start getting pissed 5-6 years ago. Bush started spending far more money then he should, and Americans should have been screaming then (I was).

The question should be why did it take so long, not why are they doing it.