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theRepublic on 17 April 2009
Tyrannical said:
Rath said:
Tyrannical said:

 

Well, what's your preferance? Physical torture or pyschoactive drugs?

Neither is just a cop out answer.

 

Isn't neither the only sensible answer for somebody against torture?

 

You're right, dead right. But dead just the same if you can't get the information out of them.

You're also dead when the prisoners lie to you just so you will stop the torture.  Bad intel is what you get from torture.



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SnesTea on 17 April 2009

Akuma, you're cool, don't be a sellout liberal.



Rath on 17 April 2009

The argument but they killed innocents, so therefore we should use torture on people who might be innocent completely ignores the fact that the USA is meant to be a civilised society with laws and rights while 'they' are terrorists. Sinking to their level is a very bad idea because you'll be sinking for quite a long time.

Also stop playing it off like America is a big daddy protector to Europe, America always looks after America. It showed this in WWI and WWII where it didn't enter until it was, or its citizens were, attacked.



Rpruett on 17 April 2009
Rath said:

The argument but they killed innocents, so therefore we should use torture on people who might be innocent completely ignores the fact that the USA is meant to be a civilised society with laws and rights while 'they' are terrorists. Sinking to their level is a very bad idea because you'll be sinking for quite a long time.

People who are not citizens of this country and have no desire to be a working part of this country other than it's downfall don't deserve the same rights and liberties fought for by many others.   If you need to get information, this is the single handed most effective technique.

 

Also stop playing it off like America is a big daddy protector to Europe, America always looks after America. It showed this in WWI and WWII where it didn't enter until it was, or its citizens were, attacked.

 

America and a few other countries provide protection to just about all the others.   Sure America looks after America.  That doesn't mean that European countries aren't protected. If Iran wanted to come up and romp all over Belgium or Portugal or whomever else.  Why wouldn't they?    The collective, protective shield of the big guys in Europe / America.

 

Again,  America is in a far different position than New Zealand or Belgium or Portugal.  The responsibility is much greater. The ability to maintain security and safety of the country is far more difficult.  It's really easy to take pot shots at the USA when you live in a country roughly equal to the size and population of 'one' of our states.

 

 



NJ5 on 17 April 2009

@Rpruett: If Iran attacked one country in the European Union we wouldn't need the USA for protection. The combined armies of the EU can easily defend any of its nations.

Stop saying nonsense.



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Rpruett on 17 April 2009
NJ5 said:
@Rpruett: If Iran attacked one country in the European Union we wouldn't need the USA for protection. The combined armies of the EU can easily defend any of its nations.

Stop saying nonsense.

 

Thank you for making my point exactly.  And when you say EU.... (France, Germany, Etc)  AKA : the heavy hitters in the region.  Like I said, it's easy to take shots from a tiny country that has to worry very little about national security in any tangible way. Let alone military threats.

It's the nature of the beast.



NJ5 on 17 April 2009
Rpruett said:
NJ5 said:
@Rpruett: If Iran attacked one country in the European Union we wouldn't need the USA for protection. The combined armies of the EU can easily defend any of its nations.

Stop saying nonsense.

 

Thank you for making my point exactly.  And when you say EU.... (France, Germany, Etc)  AKA : the heavy hitters in the region.  Like I said, it's easy to take shots from a tiny country that has to worry very little about national security in any tangible way. Let alone military threats.

It's the nature of the beast.

Are those heavy hitters like UK (which also got attacked by terrorists) torturing people after it?

No, they aren't. So no one is "taking shots" at those.

 



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Rpruett on 17 April 2009
NJ5 said:
Rpruett said:
NJ5 said:
@Rpruett: If Iran attacked one country in the European Union we wouldn't need the USA for protection. The combined armies of the EU can easily defend any of its nations.

Stop saying nonsense.

 

Thank you for making my point exactly.  And when you say EU.... (France, Germany, Etc)  AKA : the heavy hitters in the region.  Like I said, it's easy to take shots from a tiny country that has to worry very little about national security in any tangible way. Let alone military threats.

It's the nature of the beast.

Are those heavy hitters like UK (which also got attacked by terrorists) torturing people after it?

No, they aren't. So no one is "taking shots" at those.

 

Again you're being very, very naive if you don't think other 'larger' countries 'torture' people.

 



HALOOOOOOOO on 17 April 2009

Torture = bad.

The police don't need to waterboard gang members if they're looking for information that can lead to the arrest of a high ranking member, so why do we need to do it to a terrorist? Are they less human because they aren't from the U.S.? I don't know how the police do it, but for the few times it's worked we should do what they do. Someone mentioned drugs, but only if it's weed. Those interrogations would be hilarious.



Orca_Azure on 17 April 2009

lol @ insect torture. The terrorists don't mind blowing them selves up, but dammit don't stick a grasshopper next to them.