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Rath said:

The argument but they killed innocents, so therefore we should use torture on people who might be innocent completely ignores the fact that the USA is meant to be a civilised society with laws and rights while 'they' are terrorists. Sinking to their level is a very bad idea because you'll be sinking for quite a long time.

People who are not citizens of this country and have no desire to be a working part of this country other than it's downfall don't deserve the same rights and liberties fought for by many others.   If you need to get information, this is the single handed most effective technique.

 

Also stop playing it off like America is a big daddy protector to Europe, America always looks after America. It showed this in WWI and WWII where it didn't enter until it was, or its citizens were, attacked.

 

America and a few other countries provide protection to just about all the others.   Sure America looks after America.  That doesn't mean that European countries aren't protected. If Iran wanted to come up and romp all over Belgium or Portugal or whomever else.  Why wouldn't they?    The collective, protective shield of the big guys in Europe / America.

 

Again,  America is in a far different position than New Zealand or Belgium or Portugal.  The responsibility is much greater. The ability to maintain security and safety of the country is far more difficult.  It's really easy to take pot shots at the USA when you live in a country roughly equal to the size and population of 'one' of our states.