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outlawauron on 16 April 2009
nen-suer said:
outlawauron said:
nen-suer said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

Considering English is my native language am doing pretty good

But i can see u ran out of anything usefull to say (whats else is new).........

I'm sorry if I offended but your English is similar to some foreigners with mispelled words and missing punctuation. It's not that bad.

Although, you really didn't need to insult me. Especially being that you're insulting me for running out of things to say whenever you took what I said and reposted it in your own words.

First of all i didnt read what u said (looks like i missed it) but getting all that worked up because someone replyed to me is

just sad........you could've just said I SAID THAT FIRST and all ur glory would be restored back to you

I just wanted to clarify something.....but sorry if a poor foreigner like me tried to speak at ur presence

I'm not getting worked up at all. I was joking with selnor and you took offense. I even said that your english wasn't a big deal. Stop acting like I'm angry or just all out criticizing you.



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nen-suer on 16 April 2009
JaggedSac said:
I am gonna need 3-4 dvds just to hold all these unnecessarily long quotes.

 

Let me quote you just to say

LOL

 

ok am leaving this thread to outlawauron



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bobobologna on 16 April 2009
selnor said:

I kinda meant 100 hours just to get through the story. :)

On MGS4 I just did a bit of research. MGS4 had lossless audio. A bloke did some estimations and MGS4 contains roughly about 11 hours of audio alltogether. Based on file sizes for lossless audio that is about 12 gb ( this is somebodies estimate ). Also MGS4 did have duplicate data. :)

I really think people (not aimed at you) need to just have a reality check. It wont be that difficult for 4-5 360 discs.

 

 

Can you link me to where someone says that MGS4 duplicates data on the Bluray disc?



Killergran on 16 April 2009

PC Demos are usually 1/5th to 1/10th of the size of the final game release. There's always a lot of reused textures, audio, animations and other stuff. So I would still expect Final Fantasy 13 to be able to fit on one disc.

(It's not gameplay hours that counts, it's content. Please understand this)



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xeroxm3 on 16 April 2009

I'm pretty sure 4 disks will be the target number. Packaging can be a bitch if you go over 4 disks, plus while disk swapping isn't an issue they don't wanna make the 360 version seem troublesome. Sure these are just my opinions however looking back at the PS1 FF games 4 disks seems like the sweet spot.



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selnor on 16 April 2009
outlawauron said:
nen-suer said:
outlawauron said:
nen-suer said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

Considering English is my native language am doing pretty good

But i can see u ran out of anything usefull to say (whats else is new).........

I'm sorry if I offended but your English is similar to some foreigners with mispelled words and missing punctuation. It's not that bad.

Although, you really didn't need to insult me. Especially being that you're insulting me for running out of things to say whenever you took what I said and reposted it in your own words.

First of all i didnt read what u said (looks like i missed it) but getting all that worked up because someone replyed to me is

just sad........you could've just said I SAID THAT FIRST and all ur glory would be restored back to you

I just wanted to clarify something.....but sorry if a poor foreigner like me tried to speak at ur presence

I'm not getting worked up at all. I was joking with selnor and you took offense. I even said that your english wasn't a big deal. Stop acting like I'm angry or just all out criticizing you.

 

@Non Suer. Outlawaron isnt one for just critizing people for any reason. Trust me. I'm sure it was meant in jest. Outlawaron has always been reasonable to talk to in my experience. This is a misunderstanding. Not everyone on the net is a power hunter. Sometimes getting jokes across in words on a forum is hard. Once you know what someone posts like you tend to know how they would say it. Outlawaron is not a needless poster. :)



ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 16 April 2009

@euphoria14, while u seem to dislike the best rpg this gen. lost odyssey has nothing to prove if u compared it to ff13, ff13 wins the graphics area , but the ff series has alot to prove specially since the horrible, i mean the really horrible ff12. lost odyssey wins in the story,dreams,characters,dlc,uniqueness. ff13 has alot to prove .



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Jo21 on 16 April 2009
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
@euphoria14, while u seem to dislike the best rpg this gen. lost odyssey has nothing to prove if u compared it to ff13, ff13 wins the graphics area , but the ff series has alot to prove specially since the horrible, i mean the really horrible ff12. lost odyssey wins in the story,dreams,characters,dlc,uniqueness. ff13 has alot to prove .

 

it's FFX with a slightly different characters, unique? not so, even have FFX elementals.



outlawauron on 16 April 2009
selnor said:

@Non Suer. Outlawaron isnt one for just critizing people for any reason. Trust me. I'm sure it was meant in jest. Outlawaron has always been reasonable to talk to in my experience. This is a misunderstanding. Not everyone on the net is a power hunter. Sometimes getting jokes across in words on a forum is hard. Once you know what someone posts like you tend to know how they would say it. Outlawaron is not a needless poster. :)

Thanks for the back up! 

@ Robotech

You do realize that many loved FF12, and that Lost Odyssey is hardly unique at all. I mean, it's my second favorite game this generation, but lets not give too much credit.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Putin on 17 April 2009

Well, for 4 Discs on PS1. You forget how 4 CD have all places and city's locked in FF 8 and in FF 9 they where locked on 50%. Because there wasn't any space to hold all that. You want new FF 13 be that way? Go ahead play 360 then.


And MGS 4 was 46 gigs, it was stated by Kojima himself and can be checked by Nero for BD. Those 33 gig that was mentioned was data that can be seen by Windows/Vista, some of data can't be seen by PC because it wasn't made for it. You can check same thing with PS2 games pretty easy.

Look people, just because you want that Xbox 360 version must fit in 4 DVD and have same quality the PS 3 BD version have, it doesn't mean that happen. And arguments like "double, tripple" won't work out, because games like MGS 4 have install, they don't even need that dublication. :P