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Problem 1

The study was done by a left wing think tank.  (Or rather most of the studies that were metanalyised.

 

Problem 2

The research is based on the findings of over 100 different studies around the world, which questioned 80,000 people worldwide.

Issue A) Different studies = Different methods = Different Questions = Different Results = Impossible to reconcile the results.

Issue B ) Doing countries among different culture groups itself is difficult in the same study since a question that reads the same in two countries can give off two different meanings.

C) 80,000 people = About 410 people per country.  Seems a bit low.  Espiecally for countries like the United States in which there are huge region differences.  Obviously it's not 410 per person and some countries have a lot more then others, however without a breakdown it's hard to tell what's what... and even with a breakdown it is almost defininte that some countries don't have enough representation.

 

I mean it's Metanalaysis.  Metanalysis studies need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I mean you did have to take a few statistics and research classes for a minor in psych right?

 



tombi123 said:

 

Soviet Russia had powerful computers (for the time) and they managed to put a man in space (before capitalist America).

The tools already exist to build a super computer, they just cost a lot money. Without money, the motivated scientists would be able to build super computers at will.

 

That was based on rocketry, not computers. Even in the 60's, they were far behind our times.

Also, the only reason we looked into going into space, was because Russia was doing it. During the cold war, we didn't want to be outdone. The russians launched a rocket into space in 1957. The US then realized they needed to do something. We formed NASA, and 12 years later landed on the moon. Something that has yet to be done my any other country.

Thanks to rewards for there successes, the contracting companies that the US hired were able to do some amazing work. We surpassed the Russians like they are standing still. Without Capitalism, it never would have happened.



vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:

Minor in psych and the study seems as legit as anything.

 

So... I've got a Major.  So if you want to play the "Degrees game" on that...

I don't know what to tell you.

Well other then if you relied soley on textbooks for your knowledge in pscyhology your better off not having the degree.  You'd be surprised how much it gets simplified and outright changed.

Even reading Frued directly compared to what is written about him in a textbook is a trip.

As for Maslow... What Maslow believed was a lot different.  One of my teachers was a friend of the guy.  Was going to be taught by him directly but he died before then.

But I can breakdown the study without even going in to why non interpersonal happiness ratings are BS.  I'll do that in the next post to avoid the massive quote tree.

 

 

Ninja editted my post, sorry may not have gotten to see it:

If anything it just goes to show that once you remove the financial worries out of people's lives they become happier overall. Even if they pay 75% of their income for those comforts.

 

See the response to why the study sucked... I could go into why Subjective Well Being is a bad statistic in general if you'd like as well.

Also, note even in the metanalysis some socialist countries did rank below the US.  A lot actually.  Like the UK.

Ones who have a more similar cultural makeup.

The farther away you get from interpersonal studies on happiness the more inaccurate the results get.

 



I would say capitalism is better. But then again i think although extreamly cash strapped the NHS is brilliant in England. If extreame socialism took hold then what would be the point in working?

SLAVING AWAY WHEN JOE NEXT DOOR SITS ON HIS BACKSIDE GETTING THE SAME AMUONT OF MONEY AS YOU. That would never work. Nintendoman socialism is all about been equal and so on, but how is someone getting paid for doing nothing equal? Surly that defeats the whole point of socialism?



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Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:

Minor in psych and the study seems as legit as anything.

 

So... I've got a Major.  So if you want to play the "Degrees game" on that...

I don't know what to tell you.

Well other then if you relied soley on textbooks for your knowledge in pscyhology your better off not having the degree.  You'd be surprised how much it gets simplified and outright changed.

Even reading Frued directly compared to what is written about him in a textbook is a trip.

As for Maslow... What Maslow believed was a lot different.  One of my teachers was a friend of the guy.  Was going to be taught by him directly but he died before then.

But I can breakdown the study without even going in to why non interpersonal happiness ratings are BS.  I'll do that in the next post to avoid the massive quote tree.

 

 

Ninja editted my post, sorry may not have gotten to see it:

If anything it just goes to show that once you remove the financial worries out of people's lives they become happier overall. Even if they pay 75% of their income for those comforts.

 

See the response to why the study sucked... I could go into why Subjective Well Being is a bad statistic in general if you'd like as well.

Also, note even in the metanalysis some socialist countries did rank below the US.  A lot actually.  Like the UK.

Ones who have a more similar cultural makeup.

The farther away you get from interpersonal studies on happiness the more inaccurate the results get.

 

Quite true I didn;t calculate the actual person per country as a pool. Though in that defense since it is a metastudy they were portioned off a little better than 410 people in the US and 410 people in say, UAE.

 

@Mafoo

The reason people haven't even bothered setting foot on the Moon is because there's nothing there to do. Up until recently where people realized they could launch rockets far cheaper for there, all it was was a simple rock. So it's more along the lines of "don't really care" over "can't do so."

 



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

TheRealMafoo said:
tombi123 said:

 

Soviet Russia had powerful computers (for the time) and they managed to put a man in space (before capitalist America).

The tools already exist to build a super computer, they just cost a lot money. Without money, the motivated scientists would be able to build super computers at will.

 

That was based on rocketry, not computers. Even in the 60's, they were far behind our times.

Also, the only reason we looked into going into space, was because Russia was doing it. During the cold war, we didn't want to be outdone. The russians launched a rocket into space in 1957. The US then realized they needed to do something. We formed NASA, and 12 years later landed on the moon. Something that has yet to be done my any other country.

Thanks to rewards for there successes, the contracting companies that the US hired were able to do some amazing work. We surpassed the Russians like they are standing still. Without Capitalism, it never would have happened.

 

No other country has done it, because there is no point. It costs a ton and someone else has already done it. German scientists though. 

It could have been done without capitalism. All that happened was capitalism did it before before socialism.



Another very nice point which I'm sure I've made before. Why should a businessman or a model or whatever make more money than say a professor? A Professors is FAR more valuable to society than a suit.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

@Mafoo

Are you happy about paying for electricity/power/energy?

The technology and resources are already available to harness enough solar energy to supply electricity for the globe for free. This won't happen though because of greedy corporations.



vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:

Minor in psych and the study seems as legit as anything.

 

So... I've got a Major.  So if you want to play the "Degrees game" on that...

I don't know what to tell you.

Well other then if you relied soley on textbooks for your knowledge in pscyhology your better off not having the degree.  You'd be surprised how much it gets simplified and outright changed.

Even reading Frued directly compared to what is written about him in a textbook is a trip.

As for Maslow... What Maslow believed was a lot different.  One of my teachers was a friend of the guy.  Was going to be taught by him directly but he died before then.

But I can breakdown the study without even going in to why non interpersonal happiness ratings are BS.  I'll do that in the next post to avoid the massive quote tree.

 

 

Ninja editted my post, sorry may not have gotten to see it:

If anything it just goes to show that once you remove the financial worries out of people's lives they become happier overall. Even if they pay 75% of their income for those comforts.

 

See the response to why the study sucked... I could go into why Subjective Well Being is a bad statistic in general if you'd like as well.

Also, note even in the metanalysis some socialist countries did rank below the US.  A lot actually.  Like the UK.

Ones who have a more similar cultural makeup.

The farther away you get from interpersonal studies on happiness the more inaccurate the results get.

 

Quite true I didn;t calculate the actual person per country as a pool. Though in that defense since it is a metastudy they were portioned off a little better than 410 people in the US and 410 people in say, UAE.

 

@Mafoo

The reason people haven't even bothered setting foot on the Moon is because there's nothing there to do. Up until recently where people realized they could launch rockets far cheaper for there, all it was was a simple rock. So it's more along the lines of "don't really care" over "can't do so."

 

However the studies also had different statistics.  Making this kind of Metastudy... honestly completly stupid.

Metastudies aren't meant to go "Hey i'll take a US survey and British suvery a Japanese survey and then compare!  We'll get a pretty map."

Metastudies are meant to go "Hey i'll take these 500 studies on the US to try and get a better picture on the real deal."

Combined with the fact that there is still no accepted base for "Subjective Well Being" and that it can mean totally different things from study to study.

The cultural differences.

The language differences...  it's just an overall ridiculious study.