My theory: some people call the 360 the PS2 of this generation (I don't really know why), but last week the PS2 of the last generation (i.e. the PS2) got a price cut and ate into the 360's sales. Last gen wins!

My theory: some people call the 360 the PS2 of this generation (I don't really know why), but last week the PS2 of the last generation (i.e. the PS2) got a price cut and ate into the 360's sales. Last gen wins!

Dark Chaos said: Euphoria14 said: CGI-Quality said: Euphoria14 said: First off, where did it ever say they lost all profit from the PSP? Second off, how do you know whether or not they are losing money right now? Sony said last year that by this time in 2009 they will begin profiting from PS3 sales, not to mention they are probably already profiting from EU sales since the console price is higher. Third off, PS2 is no longer selling? PS2 is still making profit so how did they lose all of it? PS3 is doing good right now whether you wish to believe so or not. So answer me this. PS3 selling on par with 360 is bad news for Sony but 360 selling on par with PS3 despite being half the price is good for Microsoft?   I don't understand why he seems to think the PS3 is doing so badly, but to each, his own I guess.   Other than the previously stated "Sony lost all PS2 profits" from years ago all of which he said has no factual data to back it up. People ask how they could afford a price drop, but they do not wonder how they keep developing so many games. Comparison In US Dollars: FY End             Yen to Dollar 1981: 1982: 1983: 1984: 1985: 1986: 1987: 1988: 1989: 1990: 1991: 1992: 1993: 1994: 1995: 1996: 1997: 1998: 1999: 2000: 2001: 2002: 2003: 2004: 2005: 2006: 2007: 2008:   ?? -$93,491,480 $508,270,950 $954,197,760 $1,073,609,660 $693,184,350 -$463,129,080 $664,149,150 $924,881,130 $599,416,860 $402,344,400 $77,419,800 -$1,988,702,000 -$1,092,978,300   $19,998,400 $95,802,440 $84,221,280 $71,057,070 $83,218,020 $225,388,440 $302,068,800 $369,383,560 $483,794,640 $448,355,840 $981,947,680 $1,109,515,840 $1,279,146,880 $962,438,080 $957,146,400 $752,481,940 $579,934,080 $1,042,464,480 $1,228,994,940 $1,306,720,300 $767,354,820 $954,399,510 $821,985,200 $955,148,210 $1,039,385,040 $799,588,650 $1,934,765,440 $4,277,791,600   ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? $58,275,000 $89,830,000 $123,668,000 $293,280,000 $502,196,200 $432,401,600 $314,576,640 $309,992,560 $278,250,390 $111,849,120 $16,377,470 -$363,589,540 -$471,283,080   -$1,090,000,000 -$1,666,000,000 -$866,000,000 -$938,000,000 -$1,011,000,000 -$464,000,000 -$1,329,000,000 -$2,016,000,000 $267,000,000 Total: $2,259,173,200 $23,934,497,580 $1,695,824,360 -$9,113,000,000            0.00464 0.00422 0.00409 0.00427 0.00402 0.00543 0.00660 0.00763 0.00756 / 0.00777 0.00688 / 0.00691 0.00712 / 0.00719 0.00752 0.00803 0.00928 0.01008 0.01046 0.00891 0.00816 0.00787 0.00901 0.00906 0.00801 0.00821 0.00887 0.00932 0.00885 0.00856 0.00878           http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=1

You asked if they posted a profit last quarter and to back it up you show full years numbers?

You have still yet to come back against everything I proved you wrong about. No need to worry though, I already know you won't admit to being wrong.

I know full well Sony has been losing money the last 2-years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to have seen that. Once again though, you ONLY mentioned last quarter.

I like your strategy though, when you know you have been proven wrong just go ahead and change your argument.

Euphoria14 said: Dark Chaos said: Euphoria14 said: CGI-Quality said: Euphoria14 said: First off, where did it ever say they lost all profit from the PSP? Second off, how do you know whether or not they are losing money right now? Sony said last year that by this time in 2009 they will begin profiting from PS3 sales, not to mention they are probably already profiting from EU sales since the console price is higher. Third off, PS2 is no longer selling? PS2 is still making profit so how did they lose all of it? PS3 is doing good right now whether you wish to believe so or not. So answer me this. PS3 selling on par with 360 is bad news for Sony but 360 selling on par with PS3 despite being half the price is good for Microsoft?   I don't understand why he seems to think the PS3 is doing so badly, but to each, his own I guess.   Other than the previously stated "Sony lost all PS2 profits" from years ago all of which he said has no factual data to back it up. People ask how they could afford a price drop, but they do not wonder how they keep developing so many games. Comparison In US Dollars: FY End             Yen to Dollar 1981: 1982: 1983: 1984: 1985: 1986: 1987: 1988: 1989: 1990: 1991: 1992: 1993: 1994: 1995: 1996: 1997: 1998: 1999: 2000: 2001: 2002: 2003: 2004: 2005: 2006: 2007: 2008:   ?? -$93,491,480 $508,270,950 $954,197,760 $1,073,609,660 $693,184,350 -$463,129,080 $664,149,150 $924,881,130 $599,416,860 $402,344,400 $77,419,800 -$1,988,702,000 -$1,092,978,300   $19,998,400 $95,802,440 $84,221,280 $71,057,070 $83,218,020 $225,388,440 $302,068,800 $369,383,560 $483,794,640 $448,355,840 $981,947,680 $1,109,515,840 $1,279,146,880 $962,438,080 $957,146,400 $752,481,940 $579,934,080 $1,042,464,480 $1,228,994,940 $1,306,720,300 $767,354,820 $954,399,510 $821,985,200 $955,148,210 $1,039,385,040 $799,588,650 $1,934,765,440 $4,277,791,600   ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? $58,275,000 $89,830,000 $123,668,000 $293,280,000 $502,196,200 $432,401,600 $314,576,640 $309,992,560 $278,250,390 $111,849,120 $16,377,470 -$363,589,540 -$471,283,080   -$1,090,000,000 -$1,666,000,000 -$866,000,000 -$938,000,000 -$1,011,000,000 -$464,000,000 -$1,329,000,000 -$2,016,000,000 $267,000,000 Total: $2,259,173,200 $23,934,497,580 $1,695,824,360 -$9,113,000,000            0.00464 0.00422 0.00409 0.00427 0.00402 0.00543 0.00660 0.00763 0.00756 / 0.00777 0.00688 / 0.00691 0.00712 / 0.00719 0.00752 0.00803 0.00928 0.01008 0.01046 0.00891 0.00816 0.00787 0.00901 0.00906 0.00801 0.00821 0.00887 0.00932 0.00885 0.00856 0.00878           http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=1 You asked if they posted a profit last quarter and to back it up you show full years numbers?   You have still yet to come back against everything I proved you wrong about. No need to worry though, I already know you won't admit to being wrong. I know full well Sony has been losing money the last 2-years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to have seen that. Once again though, you ONLY mentioned last quarter. I like your strategy though, when you know you have been proven wrong just go ahead and change your argument.

 What I dont  get is that how is ms making money now???with a price cut shouldent there profits be lower??or are they making money off software sales???sony losses really shot up huh?but i expect there losses to be much lower this time...

Dark Chaos said: Euphoria14 said: CGI-Quality said: Euphoria14 said: First off, where did it ever say they lost all profit from the PSP? Second off, how do you know whether or not they are losing money right now? Sony said last year that by this time in 2009 they will begin profiting from PS3 sales, not to mention they are probably already profiting from EU sales since the console price is higher. Third off, PS2 is no longer selling? PS2 is still making profit so how did they lose all of it? PS3 is doing good right now whether you wish to believe so or not. So answer me this. PS3 selling on par with 360 is bad news for Sony but 360 selling on par with PS3 despite being half the price is good for Microsoft? Comparison In US Dollars: FY End             Yen to Dollar 1981: 1982: 1983: 1984: 1985: 1986: 1987: 1988: 1989: 1990: 1991: 1992: 1993: 1994: 1995: 1996: 1997: 1998: 1999: 2000: 2001: 2002: 2003: 2004: 2005: 2006: 2007: 2008:   ?? -$93,491,480 $508,270,950 $954,197,760 $1,073,609,660 $693,184,350 -$463,129,080 $664,149,150 $924,881,130 $599,416,860 $402,344,400 $77,419,800 -$1,988,702,000 -$1,092,978,300   $19,998,400 $95,802,440 $84,221,280 $71,057,070 $83,218,020 $225,388,440 $302,068,800 $369,383,560 $483,794,640 $448,355,840 $981,947,680 $1,109,515,840 $1,279,146,880 $962,438,080 $957,146,400 $752,481,940 $579,934,080 $1,042,464,480 $1,228,994,940 $1,306,720,300 $767,354,820 $954,399,510 $821,985,200 $955,148,210 $1,039,385,040 $799,588,650 $1,934,765,440 $4,277,791,600   ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? $58,275,000 $89,830,000 $123,668,000 $293,280,000 $502,196,200 $432,401,600 $314,576,640 $309,992,560 $278,250,390 $111,849,120 $16,377,470 -$363,589,540 -$471,283,080   -$1,090,000,000 -$1,666,000,000 -$866,000,000 -$938,000,000 -$1,011,000,000 -$464,000,000 -$1,329,000,000 -$2,016,000,000 $267,000,000 Total: $2,259,173,200 $23,934,497,580 $1,695,824,360 -$9,113,000,000            0.00464 0.00422 0.00409 0.00427 0.00402 0.00543 0.00660 0.00763 0.00756 / 0.00777 0.00688 / 0.00691 0.00712 / 0.00719 0.00752 0.00803 0.00928 0.01008 0.01046 0.00891 0.00816 0.00787 0.00901 0.00906 0.00801 0.00821 0.00887 0.00932 0.00885 0.00856 0.00878           http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=1

You asked if they posted a profit last quarter and to back it up you show full years numbers?

You have still yet to come back against everything I proved you wrong about. No need to worry though, I already know you won't admit to being wrong.

I know full well Sony has been losing money the last 2-years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to have seen that. Once again though, you ONLY mentioned last quarter.

I like your strategy though, when you know you have been proven wrong just go ahead and change your argument.

rohail88 said: Euphoria14 said: Dark Chaos said: Euphoria14 said: CGI-Quality said: Euphoria14 said: First off, where did it ever say they lost all profit from the PSP? Second off, how do you know whether or not they are losing money right now? Sony said last year that by this time in 2009 they will begin profiting from PS3 sales, not to mention they are probably already profiting from EU sales since the console price is higher. Third off, PS2 is no longer selling? PS2 is still making profit so how did they lose all of it? PS3 is doing good right now whether you wish to believe so or not. So answer me this. PS3 selling on par with 360 is bad news for Sony but 360 selling on par with PS3 despite being half the price is good for Microsoft?   I don't understand why he seems to think the PS3 is doing so badly, but to each, his own I guess.   Other than the previously stated "Sony lost all PS2 profits" from years ago all of which he said has no factual data to back it up. People ask how they could afford a price drop, but they do not wonder how they keep developing so many games. Comparison In US Dollars: FY End             Yen to Dollar 1981: 1982: 1983: 1984: 1985: 1986: 1987: 1988: 1989: 1990: 1991: 1992: 1993: 1994: 1995: 1996: 1997: 1998: 1999: 2000: 2001: 2002: 2003: 2004: 2005: 2006: 2007: 2008:   ?? -$93,491,480 $508,270,950 $954,197,760 $1,073,609,660 $693,184,350 -$463,129,080 $664,149,150 $924,881,130 $599,416,860 $402,344,400 $77,419,800 -$1,988,702,000 -$1,092,978,300   $19,998,400 $95,802,440 $84,221,280 $71,057,070 $83,218,020 $225,388,440 $302,068,800 $369,383,560 $483,794,640 $448,355,840 $981,947,680 $1,109,515,840 $1,279,146,880 $962,438,080 $957,146,400 $752,481,940 $579,934,080 $1,042,464,480 $1,228,994,940 $1,306,720,300 $767,354,820 $954,399,510 $821,985,200 $955,148,210 $1,039,385,040 $799,588,650 $1,934,765,440 $4,277,791,600   ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? $58,275,000 $89,830,000 $123,668,000 $293,280,000 $502,196,200 $432,401,600 $314,576,640 $309,992,560 $278,250,390 $111,849,120 $16,377,470 -$363,589,540 -$471,283,080   -$1,090,000,000 -$1,666,000,000 -$866,000,000 -$938,000,000 -$1,011,000,000 -$464,000,000 -$1,329,000,000 -$2,016,000,000 $267,000,000 Total: $2,259,173,200 $23,934,497,580 $1,695,824,360 -$9,113,000,000            0.00464 0.00422 0.00409 0.00427 0.00402 0.00543 0.00660 0.00763 0.00756 / 0.00777 0.00688 / 0.00691 0.00712 / 0.00719 0.00752 0.00803 0.00928 0.01008 0.01046 0.00891 0.00816 0.00787 0.00901 0.00906 0.00801 0.00821 0.00887 0.00932 0.00885 0.00856 0.00878           http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=1 You asked if they posted a profit last quarter and to back it up you show full years numbers?   You have still yet to come back against everything I proved you wrong about. No need to worry though, I already know you won't admit to being wrong. I know full well Sony has been losing money the last 2-years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to have seen that. Once again though, you ONLY mentioned last quarter. I like your strategy though, when you know you have been proven wrong just go ahead and change your argument.      What I dont  get is that how is ms making money now???with a price cut shouldent there profits be lower??or are they making money off software sales???sony losses really shot up huh?but i expect there losses to be much lower this time...

There are a handful of reasons why 360 had a more profitible 2008 year over their 2007 year. One is, like you said, software sales. Another is the fact that they've been closing and letting go studios left and right. Xbox Live is also a big money maker for Microsoft with their recently expanded userbase.

1)First Considering the PSP released in 2005. Even if I include 04 2004-2008 they still lost money.

2)Second where did I say they didnt make a profit second quarter?? I just said they didnt make a huge  profits to warrant a coming price cut. Also I still don't think the PS3 division is profitable. While they are close to even I still think they are losing money.

3) All the PS2 profits are nearly gone. Look at the chart. Its common sense. The PS2 is still making profit but its pretty obvious but that cushion is decreasing.

Its funny I proved all your points wrong and its funny how one week changes the perception of SONY's position

Euphoria14 said: Dark Chaos said: Euphoria14 said: CGI-Quality said: Euphoria14 said: First off, where did it ever say they lost all profit from the PSP? Second off, how do you know whether or not they are losing money right now? Sony said last year that by this time in 2009 they will begin profiting from PS3 sales, not to mention they are probably already profiting from EU sales since the console price is higher. Third off, PS2 is no longer selling? PS2 is still making profit so how did they lose all of it? PS3 is doing good right now whether you wish to believe so or not. So answer me this. PS3 selling on par with 360 is bad news for Sony but 360 selling on par with PS3 despite being half the price is good for Microsoft? Comparison In US Dollars: FY End             Yen to Dollar 1981: 1982: 1983: 1984: 1985: 1986: 1987: 1988: 1989: 1990: 1991: 1992: 1993: 1994: 1995: 1996: 1997: 1998: 1999: 2000: 2001: 2002: 2003: 2004: 2005: 2006: 2007: 2008:   ?? -$93,491,480 $508,270,950 $954,197,760 $1,073,609,660 $693,184,350 -$463,129,080 $664,149,150 $924,881,130 $599,416,860 $402,344,400 $77,419,800 -$1,988,702,000 -$1,092,978,300   $19,998,400 $95,802,440 $84,221,280 $71,057,070 $83,218,020 $225,388,440 $302,068,800 $369,383,560 $483,794,640 $448,355,840 $981,947,680 $1,109,515,840 $1,279,146,880 $962,438,080 $957,146,400 $752,481,940 $579,934,080 $1,042,464,480 $1,228,994,940 $1,306,720,300 $767,354,820 $954,399,510 $821,985,200 $955,148,210 $1,039,385,040 $799,588,650 $1,934,765,440 $4,277,791,600   ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? $58,275,000 $89,830,000 $123,668,000 $293,280,000 $502,196,200 $432,401,600 $314,576,640 $309,992,560 $278,250,390 $111,849,120 $16,377,470 -$363,589,540 -$471,283,080   -$1,090,000,000 -$1,666,000,000 -$866,000,000 -$938,000,000 -$1,011,000,000 -$464,000,000 -$1,329,000,000 -$2,016,000,000 $267,000,000 Total: $2,259,173,200 $23,934,497,580 $1,695,824,360 -$9,113,000,000            0.00464 0.00422 0.00409 0.00427 0.00402 0.00543 0.00660 0.00763 0.00756 / 0.00777 0.00688 / 0.00691 0.00712 / 0.00719 0.00752 0.00803 0.00928 0.01008 0.01046 0.00891 0.00816 0.00787 0.00901 0.00906 0.00801 0.00821 0.00887 0.00932 0.00885 0.00856 0.00878           http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=1 You asked if they posted a profit last quarter and to back it up you show full years numbers? You have still yet to come back against everything I proved you wrong about. No need to worry though, I already know you won't admit to being wrong. I know full well Sony has been losing money the last 2-years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to have seen that. Once again though, you ONLY mentioned last quarter. I like your strategy though, when you know you have been proven wrong just go ahead and change your argument.

1)First Considering the PSP released in 2005. Even if I include 04 2004-2008 they still lost money.

2)Second where did I say they didnt make a profit second quarter?? I just said they didnt make a huge  profits to warrant a coming price cut. Also I still don't think the PS3 division is profitable. While they are close to even I still think they are losing money.

3) All the PS2 profits are nearly gone. Look at the chart. Its common sense. The PS2 is still making profit but its pretty obvious but that cushion is decreasing.

Its funny I proved all your points wrong and its funny how one week changes the perception of SONY's position

Well in all honesty, does anyone really expect a price drop in the next couple of months? Considering the PS3 is going to be recieving a hardware revision to implement the new 45nm Cell processors sometime around July, which I estimate could cut development costs anywhere between $50 and $120, I don't think Sony has all that much to worry about.