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What a fool this man is :)



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This is also exactly the kind of mindset that reinforces developers putting most of their energy into the 360/PS3 games, which in turn draws more hardcore gamers, which in turn makes them sell more 3rd party software which then makes them have this mindset. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.




KylieDog said:
68soul said:
salaminizer said:
SnowFlow said:
That article is pure ignorance. "PS360 are more AAA game oriented while Wii is more casual oriented" I don't consider Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Super Smash Bros Brawl, or Metroid Prime 3 casual oriented and all of them have sold great.

The writer failed to mention the fact that very few third party devs have actually release a mainstream AAA game on Wii (RE:4 is the only game that comes to mind).

everyone seems to ignore that... 

 

Except most of the Wii owners... we are the ones who know, and have to deal with it... while the Wii haters just may ignore the facts to have a "more valid point"... they don't care, they don't even play Wii, all they know is their own bias...

They WANT the Wii to remain casual, cos' otherwise, the HD twins are in real trouble... it's like ALL the core games HAVE to be on PS360, and ZERO core game HAS to be on Wii... they want to separate the two "markets", while in the PS2 area, everybody thought it was normal for the market leader to have most games in all the different existing genres, niche or mass market, whatever... nobody cared, as the large userbase meant ANY game with a normal budget and a decent quality could find its audience and make profits...

 

 

...because it is a port of a last gen game.   Is that what you want to lift up and praise as proof of third party core games selling on the Wii?  I ask because for every Wii owner who tries to use this as an example there is a Wii owner complaining about ports of last gen games.  Some do both as it suits whatever theyw ant to say in a particular argument.

 

Terrible example.

 

For me, no, my comment was only made after that part:

"The writer failed to mention the fact that very few third party devs have actually release a mainstream AAA game on Wii"

There are a few exceptions, of course, and RE4 is one of them, but the fact it's a port or not doesn't change anything to the quality of the game and the quality of the new controls, so... i don't feel any need to debate over it: play the game, don't play it, i don't care, and i don't use it as an example...

But after more than two years, any "serious" gamer have to admit it: there were nearly no AAA, big budget games released on Wii by 3rd parties... you could understand that there's a few less than on PS360... but it's not even a 70/30 situation, it's a 95/5 situation, and it's a real shame, that's all there is to say about it...

Now, if some people add 3rd parties CAN'T have any success on Wii, just based on the success (or lack of) of these same, very rare games... then you have a real problem of logic and total non-sense, as i've previously written in this thread...

 



 

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68soul said:
KylieDog said:
68soul said:
salaminizer said:
SnowFlow said:
That article is pure ignorance. "PS360 are more AAA game oriented while Wii is more casual oriented" I don't consider Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Super Smash Bros Brawl, or Metroid Prime 3 casual oriented and all of them have sold great.

The writer failed to mention the fact that very few third party devs have actually release a mainstream AAA game on Wii (RE:4 is the only game that comes to mind).

everyone seems to ignore that... 

 

Except most of the Wii owners... we are the ones who know, and have to deal with it... while the Wii haters just may ignore the facts to have a "more valid point"... they don't care, they don't even play Wii, all they know is their own bias...

They WANT the Wii to remain casual, cos' otherwise, the HD twins are in real trouble... it's like ALL the core games HAVE to be on PS360, and ZERO core game HAS to be on Wii... they want to separate the two "markets", while in the PS2 area, everybody thought it was normal for the market leader to have most games in all the different existing genres, niche or mass market, whatever... nobody cared, as the large userbase meant ANY game with a normal budget and a decent quality could find its audience and make profits...

 

 

...because it is a port of a last gen game.   Is that what you want to lift up and praise as proof of third party core games selling on the Wii?  I ask because for every Wii owner who tries to use this as an example there is a Wii owner complaining about ports of last gen games.  Some do both as it suits whatever theyw ant to say in a particular argument.

 

Terrible example.

 

For me, no, my comment was only made after that part:

"The writer failed to mention the fact that very few third party devs have actually release a mainstream AAA game on Wii"

There are a few exceptions, of course, and RE4 is one of them, but the fact it's a port or not doesn't change anything to the quality of the game and the quality of the new controls, so... i don't feel any need to debate over it: play the game, don't play it, i don't care, and i don't use it as an example...

But after more than two years, any "serious" gamer have to admit it: there were nearly no AAA, big budget games released on Wii by 3rd parties... you could understand that there's a few less than on PS360... but it's not even a 70/30 situation, it's a 95/5 situation, and it's a real shame, that's all there is to say about it...

Now, if some people add 3rd parties CAN'T have any success on Wii, just based on the success (or lack of) of these same, very rare games... then you have a real problem of logic and total non-sense, as i've previously written in this thread...

 

 

 You hit it right on the head, my friend. In fact, (not to give myself a plug) but the last thread I created "Why Wii Hate?" Was intended to have people come to that conclusion. For that is the real reason I feel fanboys wish it to fail. As for the analyst...I felt like I was in a time warp back in 2007.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Lolcislaw said:
ManusJustus said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
shinyuhadouken said:
I agree with the article.

How often do you see a hardcore non-Nintendo game on top?

Counterpoint: How often do you see hardcore non-Nintendo game?

 

I dont see what Nintendo fan boys are so upset about.  The article is obviously true, Nintendo dominates software sales for the Wii.  When good, that third party games are released (you'll usually see a thread were Nintendo fans are begging people to buy the game) they dont recieve many sales.

Not really it sells just slightly more then 3rd parties (and i dont really know how is this a problem). Now if you please to refresh my memory, list good third party games that truly bombed on the Wii (oh and remember that No More Heroes indeed sold well, and Madworld sales are encouraging).

Lets look at your two examples of third party games doing well on the Wii:

Madworld - 100,000 units

No More Heroes - 390,000 units

Compare that to what Nintendo games sale and what good third party games on PS3 and XBox 360 sale, the argument becomes a no brainer.  Nintendo's market is all about brand, there's no reason for third party developers to test the waters with new, high quality IPs when they'd be lucky to sale a few hundred thousand units, especially when similar effort on the XBox 360 and PS3 results in big sellers.

 



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@ManusJustus: What are the similar efforts?



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

I'm not sure RE:4 is such a terrible example, in all honesty. It shows that high quality games in established franchises can thrive on Wii, and the fact that it's the fourth release of said game really only serves to further reiterate the existence of such a market on Wii. 

Is it true that Nintendo-produced titles dominate Nintendo-produced platforms? Absolutely! However, people seem to be under the impression that the only reason this is the case is that these titles simply have "Wii", "Nintendo" or "Mario" slapped on the cover. This plays a huge role, undoubtedly, but these people are ultimately missing the point. The reason sales of Nintendo titles are so robust is because of their unparalleled brand equity. Both Wii Fit and Brawl are titles of exceptional quality and polish, so that even though they are aimed at markedly different audiences, their sales are explosive. This is no coincidence.

If you pick a Nintendo-produced Wii title at random, the probability that the game will be accessible, engaging and cognizant of the Wii's unique capabilities is remarkably high. Can the same be said of the drivel dumped on the system by some of the other publishers? There is a reason Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Mario Kart all outsell their cheap imitations by a considerable margin... actual time and effort went into their production. Say what you will about Wii Music and City Folk, but the thought and polish that went into their creation is reflected by their sales. If companies are expecting to produce the same stellar sales Nintendo enjoys without having to allocate the same level of resources, talent and effort into their Wii projects, then they are sorely misguided.

Yes, the 360 and PS3 markets have proven to be much more conducive to "AAA" efforts, but this is entirely due to the fact that the Wii has seen absolutely no third party "AAA" titles whatsoever. Games that are both a) from established franchises and b) actual quality games are simply rarities in the Wii library. Oh, and on that note, it is absolutely true that Resident Evil 5 is outselling MadWorld by a wide margin... but Resident Evil 4: Wii appears to be on equal footing with its HD successor, despite its age.

It's quite simple, really. If you want to make a game in the vein of Wii Sports or Wii Play in order to replicate their wild popularity, make a game that is of the same quality. Similarly, if you want to reproduce the success of "hardcore" titles like Fallout or Dead Space on Wii... then make a game that is of the same quality! 

It is not a matter of hardcore or casual, either. The Wii's popularity translates to a userbase with wildly diverse tastes and preferences which transcend these meaningless labels. The fact is that Wii owners know that regardless of what style or genre of game they are looking for, whether it is an exercise program like Wii Fit or an epic adventure like Zelda, that Nintendo's games are as a rule of greater quality than the titles provided by third parties. For companies who shit out their games with such abandon and display such astonishment at their substandard results, I can display no sympathy. Nintendo cannot be expected to make inferior games so third parties can profit in their apathy. 

Oh, bananas! Long post! My bad



@Astrotrain: Welcome to VGC.

I think you summed it up pretty nicely.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Astro, that is a hell of a way to make your debut here. And I completely agree with your point of view. I second Bd's welcome.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.


@ Astrotrain: another welcome from me... an excellent post, nothing to add... :)


 

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