Shit is shit either way.  Most Phoenix games were flash puzzle games with shitty animated films on the disk...there was even games that....

PLAYED THEMSELVES!

First off "Shovelware" is not outselling "Core" games on the Wii, and arguing that it is demonstrated a misunderstanding of what "Shovelware" is ...

"Shovelware" are games that are made by very small independant developers with a budget so small that the game breaks even off of its initial shipment to retailers, and there is no focus on making a game that is even functional. An example of a "Shovelware" game on the Wii is Ninja-Bread man.

A lot of the games that people are calling "Shovelware" are games made by large publishers that similar games have performed well on previous consoles. There are a few reasons why the sales of these games are suddenly so important:

1. These (primarily licenced) games are only being released to one platform which has resulted in far more focused sales. While a lot of similar games (probably) broke a million units sold in the previous generation they were released to multiple platforms and they rarely broke 1 Million units sold on any one platform, by only being released to one platform which has sold better to the "General Public" who buys these games it has resulted in far higher single console sales.
2. This is the first generation that many of these games get tracked on any level ... Even people who paid close attention to NPD in the last generation were unlikely to see these games sell because they only got the best selling games on a console in a given month which these titles never are; they make their sales by selling 5,000 units a week for a long time (typically).
3. Its just the evolution of the fanboy argument ... In 6 to 9 months, when this argument is no longer valid, it will switch to a different argument. How many people remember when the same people who bitch about this were calling the Wii a fad, and saying that its sales would drop off soon?

@JRPG: What makes you think the publishers keep making games PS3 or 360 as a leading platform? They keep going to the platform with biggest installbase, where the money's at. There will be games where PS3or 360 is the leading platform, and even exclusives, but it's not going to be a general trend.

Nobody was arguing about definition of shovelware, Mike asked you questions relating to why Carnival Games is shovelware. To which you didn't answer.
Your shovelware argument goes against the sales of the game and feedback considering the game.

So, you are trying to argue about the quality of shovelware. It really doesn't matter, if the games are so bad nobody wants to play them.

@Sirroman: It's true. The quality control is what you hear everybody whining about Nintendo treating 3rd parties badly.
The pinnacle of the quality control was seen with N64, where Nintendo limited the developers that were able to dev for N64 to devs they saw being good enough. The "dreamteam".

@KylieDog: The dedicated sections were due to large number of games. I'm quite sure there wasn't "shovelware", "mediocre" and "AAA" sections.

PS2 had large amount of bad games in the same point of its life, and i really can't say which one has the bigger percentage, but the true king of shovelware was PSX.

Since when the Shovelware really outsells the good games? I dont see games like Ninjabread man or Wacky Races outselling De Blob , No More Heroes or even Zack and Wiki.

@Red4ADevil, bdbdbd: So...

No quality control: shovelware.
Quality control: third-party crysis?

Well, I like that more companies can create games, competition is all 'bout that, but... Well, let's wait and see if High Voltage can make a hit with conduit, right? Maybe then we can say that shovelware manufacturers may earn a name for themselves with time (If that is true... Yeah! Go go go shovelware! =P).

What I would like to see is: Nintendo to use their net infrastructure (wii-kly update, that I forgot how it's called now) to spread the world 'bout the really good games. What 'bout some "high rated" page? It could work around the genres (fps, action, puzzles)... Like that "weather channel", but with games' info.

To that to work, I believe it should be a free service at first, and if it works then Nintendo could charge a small fee (afterall, it's advertisement, right?).

@Sirroman: Nintendo Channel has promotional videos, but 3rd parties have to pay for their ads.

Nintendo Channel includes a rating system, the people who have played a game can rate their games, give opinion on what kind of game is it, you enter your sex and age and channel users can check the opinions of people or look at opinions in different groups.

The quality control after the market crash, was one big reason for the industry to get back up. Basically the ones that crashed the industry were whining about the quality control.

No quality control doesn't necessarily mean shovelware. The thing is, that shovelware doesn't usually sell much, but then again, sales in tens of thousands propably is enough for the shovelware usually to turn profit. In order to make big bucks, you still need to make games with quality, with or without quality control and that's what competition causes and that's why PS2 got good games for example.

You all know what will happen the second Nintendo mentions ""quality control""

Everyone here will call them Nazi's, third party's will call them Nazi's, people on other forums will call them Nazi's, the gaming industry will accuse them of being Nazi's.

Then of course they won't support the system like there doing now.

I don't understand. Why you HD fans give that much of importance to shovelware? I am a wii user and I know that there's a lot of bad games. So what? I won't buy them period.

Wal mart is not the only store on the face of the earth, by the way.

And they react as if this is new. Remember the Atari 2600, the NES, Genesis, SNES, Playstation 1 and Playstation 2?

Because thats all on the system apparently a dur hur hur.  Me make funny.  

LoL, holy sh*t dude, that's hilarious  :D