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mai on 07 April 2009
Quickdraw McGraw said:
mai said:
Skeeuk said:

nintendo only have made galaxy zelda and smash bros that are any good. only the main core titles of nintendo are excellent games.

That's highly subjective. For me this gen Ninty 1st party > Sony 1st party, you may think different, that's your opinion. The objective criteria - sales - core and non-core Ninty franchises are selling a lot better than Sony's.

The objective criteria in determining quality is sales? Really?

Criteria of success, there're no objective criteria of quality in games and many other kinds of media. If your bigger team makes less money than your rival's small team - you've got a problem in management department. Sony 1st parties are tempting me with ridicilously long development cycles and weren't able to give anything in last couple of years that I wanted (GT5, GOW3 and especially new Team Ico project - games I'm looking for).

So yes, their teams are bigger, but that means shit, 'cos bigger team won't translate into better games and even better sales..



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Quickdraw McGraw on 07 April 2009
mai said:

Criteria of success, there're no objective criteria of quality in games and many other kinds of media. If your bigger team makes less money than your rival's small team - you've got a problem in management department. Sony 1st parties are tempting me with ridicilously long development cycles and weren't able to give anything in last couple of years that I wanted (GT5, GOW3 and especially new Team Ico project - games I'm looking for).

So yes, their teams are bigger, but that means shit, 'cos bigger team won't translate into better games and even better sales..

The bolded statement is what I was getting at, I never mentioned criteria for success.
Sure, Nintendo is more successful this generation. A short and simple development cycle due to familiar hardware and brand recognition of long-lasting IP's are what can probably be attributed to their success more so than their management or creative departments. Either way, it'd be speculation on our parts.



Samus Aran on 07 April 2009

You know what Ninty should say... Our console sales are as big as Microsoft or Sony combined. Sony keeps attacking Nintendo with the dsi and stuff like that. Sony deserves to get their ass wupped!

I used to love Sony in the ps1 and ps2 days, but they're just to arrogant now.



Cthulhu on 07 April 2009
Samus Aran said:
So, SMG, zelda:tp, super smash bros brawl, metroid prime 1, metroid prime 2, metroid prime 3, wii fit, pikmin2,etc all have no quality right? Don't make me laugh.

 

 Noone said they dont have quality. But they are not the holy grail of gaming. 



Samus Aran on 07 April 2009

Well, the same can be said about all the games from Sony. They're all AAA games and that's all that matters. Except wii fit, but I don't see that as a game.



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Skeeuk on 07 April 2009
Samus Aran said:

You know what Ninty should say... Our console sales are as big as Microsoft or Sony combined. Sony keeps attacking Nintendo with the dsi and stuff like that. Sony deserves to get their ass wupped!

I used to love Sony in the ps1 and ps2 days, but they're just to arrogant now.

 

sales dont go in your back pocket but games certainly do, the wii sales=better argument is getting old now



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Cthulhu on 07 April 2009
Samus Aran said:
You know what Ninty should say... Our console sales are as big as Microsoft or Sony combined. Sony keeps attacking Nintendo with the dsi and stuff like that. Sony deserve to get their ass wupped!

Actually Sony is trying to make new games, i dont see Ninty trying very hard.....and the end i will playing MAG, Uncharted2 and so on and you will play with the Ninty's sales

 



Munkeh111 on 07 April 2009
Samus Aran said:
Cthulhu said:
Samus Aran said:
I liked god of war 1 and 2. I'm just saying that these games don't compare to zelda or smg or ssbb....

 

Thats totally subjective, is a matter of opinion and you could be wrong. Do you think?

True, but more people like the games I said then god of war. Can I back this up? Look at the sales. You can say sales mean nothing, but if a game sucks it wont get good sales.

God of war2: 2.45M sales on a 145M userbase....

SMG: 8M sales on a 50M userbase... Both games are good and have quality.

Are you seriously suggesting God of War 2 sucks? PS2 had a much wider userbase, and as is always the case, the attach ratio of invidual games declines through the generation

 



Cthulhu on 07 April 2009
Samus Aran said:
Cthulhu said:
Samus Aran said:
I liked god of war 1 and 2. I'm just saying that these games don't compare to zelda or smg or ssbb....

 

Thats totally subjective, is a matter of opinion and you could be wrong. Do you think?

 

True, but more people like the games I said then god of war. Can I back this up? Look at the sales. You can say sales mean nothing, but if a game sucks it wont get good sales.

God of war2: 2.45M sales on a 145M userbase....

SMG: 8M sales on a 50M userbase... Both games are good and have quality.

Please by your logic explain Madworld sales

 



Samus Aran on 07 April 2009

No, I said both games are good and have quality. With that I mean that both games are equally good to me(I like god of war more bc I'm a fan of stuff like that, but w/e)
But more people like SMG and that translates to more sales.

You also make a good point with the attach ratio, but the 2.45M sales compared to 8M? That's not the fault of the attach ratio alone.