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Cobretti2 said:
Megadude said:

What is with all this talk about core and niche and casual with Wii fanboys? "This game sold like crap because it's not core it's niche", "Petz isn't shovelware it's casual", "Core is not hardcore it's any game that bolsters my arguement at the current moment".

2 years and three months later I can count the number of great Wii games on one hand (PS2 and Gamecube ports not included). As a Wii owner that makes me sick. But not Wii fanboys. They are too busy jumping up and down with joy every time the Wii outsells crack, or gets a larger shelf spot in their local Walmart.

 

STOP defending trash on Wii with excuses about core,casual and niche. Get involved. Inform your local community that the Wii is so much more then the sub-par games that seem to be all the rage these days. If good games sell well on Wii that means they will make more of them.

I find this post funny.

People bitched that Nintendo where to hard on quality control in the N64 days and because of that they lost ground  and relationships with developers to Sony and some core franchises.

Now that they are getting more support slowly again because of their relaxed game control, you want to complain about shovelware? Sadly this shovelware sells to casuals as well as ends up on the console with the largest userbase.

Nintendo can't seem to please no matter which way they go.

 

 

 

It's the same thing with everything Nintendo does. People whine incessently no matter which way they go. After Wind Waker, people were whining like crazy about a new realistic Zelda, and then after TP lots of fans were whining that it wasn't as epic as OoT or whatever. Nintendo get shit thrown at them whatever they do. Except maybe with Galaxy.



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Megadude said:

STOP defending trash on Wii with excuses about core,casual and niche. Get involved. Inform your local community that the Wii is so much more then the sub-par games that seem to be all the rage these days. If good games sell well on Wii that means they will make more of them.

This sounds more like an political activist group than a gaming topic...

Besides, what is the point here? We should tell Wii owners what games to buy? Right, because obviously teenagers posting on Internet forums KNOW what is best for them better than they themselves do.



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Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Cobretti2 said:
Megadude said:

What is with all this talk about core and niche and casual with Wii fanboys? "This game sold like crap because it's not core it's niche", "Petz isn't shovelware it's casual", "Core is not hardcore it's any game that bolsters my arguement at the current moment".

2 years and three months later I can count the number of great Wii games on one hand (PS2 and Gamecube ports not included). As a Wii owner that makes me sick. But not Wii fanboys. They are too busy jumping up and down with joy every time the Wii outsells crack, or gets a larger shelf spot in their local Walmart.

 

STOP defending trash on Wii with excuses about core,casual and niche. Get involved. Inform your local community that the Wii is so much more then the sub-par games that seem to be all the rage these days. If good games sell well on Wii that means they will make more of them.

I find this post funny.

People bitched that Nintendo where to hard on quality control in the N64 days and because of that they lost ground  and relationships with developers to Sony and some core franchises.

Now that they are getting more support slowly again because of their relaxed game control, you want to complain about shovelware? Sadly this shovelware sells to casuals as well as ends up on the console with the largest userbase.

Nintendo can't seem to please no matter which way they go.

 

 

 

It's the same thing with everything Nintendo does. People whine incessently no matter which way they go. After Wind Waker, people were whining like crazy about a new realistic Zelda, and then after TP lots of fans were whining that it wasn't as epic as OoT or whatever. Nintendo get shit thrown at them whatever they do. Except maybe with Galaxy.

I know someone who claims Nintendo abandoned the old school fans because Galaxy was "too easy"

 

...sigh



Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Cobretti2 said:
Megadude said:

What is with all this talk about core and niche and casual with Wii fanboys? "This game sold like crap because it's not core it's niche", "Petz isn't shovelware it's casual", "Core is not hardcore it's any game that bolsters my arguement at the current moment".

2 years and three months later I can count the number of great Wii games on one hand (PS2 and Gamecube ports not included). As a Wii owner that makes me sick. But not Wii fanboys. They are too busy jumping up and down with joy every time the Wii outsells crack, or gets a larger shelf spot in their local Walmart.

 

STOP defending trash on Wii with excuses about core,casual and niche. Get involved. Inform your local community that the Wii is so much more then the sub-par games that seem to be all the rage these days. If good games sell well on Wii that means they will make more of them.

I find this post funny.

People bitched that Nintendo where to hard on quality control in the N64 days and because of that they lost ground  and relationships with developers to Sony and some core franchises.

Now that they are getting more support slowly again because of their relaxed game control, you want to complain about shovelware? Sadly this shovelware sells to casuals as well as ends up on the console with the largest userbase.

Nintendo can't seem to please no matter which way they go.

 

 

 

It's the same thing with everything Nintendo does. People whine incessently no matter which way they go. After Wind Waker, people were whining like crazy about a new realistic Zelda, and then after TP lots of fans were whining that it wasn't as epic as OoT or whatever. Nintendo get shit thrown at them whatever they do. Except maybe with Galaxy.

haha yer I know insane.

 

personally I preferred when they weren't on top less crap and great games only.

But hey guess what whinging about it is pointless I can adapt. I am a gamer so I know how to research for the games I want.

Sure there is junk on the shelf but I know what game I want to get so all the rest is irrelivant.

 



 

 

Majin-Tenshinhan said:

It's the same thing with everything Nintendo does. People whine incessently no matter which way they go. After Wind Waker, people were whining like crazy about a new realistic Zelda, and then after TP lots of fans were whining that it wasn't as epic as OoT or whatever. Nintendo get shit thrown at them whatever they do. Except maybe with Galaxy.

There's truth in that, but playing victim is unnecessary. What you described is not unique to Nintendo at all, it's only the consequence of internet putting a megaphone in the hand of potentially everyone, but reason in the head of virtually nobody.

Isn't Sony under attack for whatever choice they make? Isn't Microsoft? Isn't CNN, or the United States President?

The net amplifies the vocal minorities. You're just more sensible to the noise on the Nintendo frequency :)

 



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De gustibus non est disputandum, so they say. But let’s give it a go anyway.

First of all, about those disputed terms ‘core’ and ‘hardcore’. They really don’t mean the same thing.

‘Core’ is a marketing term. It refers to the primary market for a company or a product, so there is no such thing as a ‘core’ gamer, because the ‘core’ varies between consoles and from time to time. The core market for Xbox 360 (roughly, male American college students) is different from the PS3 core (roughly, gaming technocrats), which is different from the Wii core (roughly, families). The core markets for different publishers and different games are different again, so the core market for GTA games is different from the core market for Petz games.

There’s no room for arguing this, because it is the way marketers actually use the term. So when Nintendo refer to the core Nintendo market they mean something like, but broader than, Nintendo fanboys.

‘Hardcore’ is a much more fluid term, because it tends to get appropriated by whichever group feels aggrieved by any particular console/studio/game. At its broadest it would refer to those who spend most of their disposable income/time on gaming – regardless of genre, but it has gradually shifted to refer to those who enjoy ‘serious’ games, or competitive games, or blood’n’guts games, or ‘challenging’ games.

But not all hardcore gamers are the same or have the same tastes. So it is probably not true to say that there is a specific hardcore market. But if there is, it spans across consoles.

Now, if you draw a Venn diagram of Nintendo core v hardcore it is possible to get a historical perspective of how big the overlap is. It is, roughly, the sales of Eternal Darkness on Gamecube. Which is a very small number. So it is not really surprising that ‘hardcore’ games have not historically performed outstandingly on Nintendo platforms.

So it is not really true to say that Nintendo has abandoned the hardcore. It didn’t really have all that much of it to start with.

And it isn’t really true to say that Nintendo has failed to reach out to the hardcore either (No more Heroes, Madworld, Deadly Creatures, Resident Evil and so on). It is probably more true to say that the hardcore hasn’t really reached out to the Wii (all those posts about ‘selling my Wii’, ‘gathering dust’, ‘never buying another Wii game’, ‘wait ‘til it drops in price’, ‘renting it’).

What really galls me is those who say they will let their money do the talking by not buying the console/games, but don’t let their money do the talking by actually buying the stuff that looks good.

It is your own fault guys.

As for the casual and shovelware. It won’t go away just because you want it to. No reason it should. It is like the ‘My Little Pony’ books – I hated them, but my daughters loved them so I had to get them and read them. But that never stopped there being good books, and it didn’t stop my daughters growing up sensible. Actually, bad books, and bad games, have a useful function. They teach people to differentiate between the good and the bad.

It’ll take some time, particularly with the market expanding as fast as it is, for this to have an effect. But it will do, and gaming will be the better for it – compare it with book publishing in the 1940’s and now.

So bring on the shovelware!

But don’t expect every game that you like to be bought by 10m people. It don’t work that way. You’re a niche, see.

So no, I won't reach out to my local community. I'll just buy the games I like,and tell my friends and family about them. that should do just fine.



^good post. Except for the "hardcore" presence in the core Nintendo market, that I think is quite strong. But that's because, as you said, its definition is quite fuzzy.
Basically "hardcore" is not only orthogonal to consoles, but also to game genres. As such I think that there's plenty of "hardcore" players of Melee among core Nintendo market , that would not touch Madworld with a ten foot pole because if its mature, over the top characterization. And so on.
It's probably true that historically the Nintendo core market was born in the general absence of mature-themed games, so I'd rather say that it's the mature genre lovers that are underrepresented.



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junk on 360 and ps3 too and people go crazy and torn there heads . this why wii get hated on so badly .



 

 

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