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ShadowSoldier on 03 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:
Suikoden 6 and Persona 5 will probably be heading to the PS3.

KH3 is either going to be on PS3 or Wii (it depends on whether Nomura will want to see his vision for the game cheapened by placing it on the Wii) or if Square's desire for maximum profit wins the day on that.

The 360 after its failure to generate any strong sales for the JRPGs it has and with the boost the PS3 will get from having FFXIII and Versus XIII as exclusives and the fact that games like Tales of Vesperia will be heading to the PS3 with new characters, dungeons, scenarios, and blu-ray quality cinema pretty much guarantees that the 360 is pretty much going to become irrelevant for jrpgs.

I mean, sure they could moneyhat exclusivity for KH3, for example, but would Square and Disney really be happy with less than 500,000 in sales for the game? I think not. The 360 needs to stick with what most people will buy on the system ie. shooters and some ports of Western rpgs.

Nintendo's Wii is getting DQX and that is a big rpg for them to get. They are getting some big time future Tales games too. But many of the other announced jrpgs coming to Wii are from smaller, less significant developers in Japan, so no one really knows how well they will do.

 

 

I Think we should Wait until FFXIII is released before we write 360 JRPG's off completely



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Hero_time88 on 03 April 2009

The Wii is bad at selling non-nintendo core games in Japan though, perhaps the situation will change with the Monster Hunter games, but...



BengaBenga on 03 April 2009
Hero_time88 said:
The Wii is bad at selling non-nintendo core games in Japan though, perhaps the situation will change with the Monster Hunter games, but...

 

I think this is a bit overblown.

1) There are no 3rd party core games with comparable budget as the big PS3/360 ones
2) There are hardly any main games of big series on Wii
3) The 2nd and 3rd best sold third party games so far in Japan are on Wii
4) Symphonia 2 sold very well, 250k, while it's a spin-off
5) Fatal Frame 4 sold more than any previous Fatal Frame



BTFeather55 on 03 April 2009
ShadowSoldier said:
BTFeather55 said:
Suikoden 6 and Persona 5 will probably be heading to the PS3.

KH3 is either going to be on PS3 or Wii (it depends on whether Nomura will want to see his vision for the game cheapened by placing it on the Wii) or if Square's desire for maximum profit wins the day on that.

The 360 after its failure to generate any strong sales for the JRPGs it has and with the boost the PS3 will get from having FFXIII and Versus XIII as exclusives and the fact that games like Tales of Vesperia will be heading to the PS3 with new characters, dungeons, scenarios, and blu-ray quality cinema pretty much guarantees that the 360 is pretty much going to become irrelevant for jrpgs.

I mean, sure they could moneyhat exclusivity for KH3, for example, but would Square and Disney really be happy with less than 500,000 in sales for the game? I think not. The 360 needs to stick with what most people will buy on the system ie. shooters and some ports of Western rpgs.

Nintendo's Wii is getting DQX and that is a big rpg for them to get. They are getting some big time future Tales games too. But many of the other announced jrpgs coming to Wii are from smaller, less significant developers in Japan, so no one really knows how well they will do.

 

 

I Think we should Wait until FFXIII is released before we write 360 JRPG's off completely


That's an acceptable request and much more politely worded and much less inflammatory than the people that say to me, "If you expect Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5 to have big sales in Japan and provide a boost to the PS3's install base there, then you are totally delusional and insane."

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outlawauron on 03 April 2009
waron said:

first of all Disgaea 3 is 2d srpg that was probably a ported ps2 game. SMT games are much more "complicated" - i mean thea are all in 3d and very polished compared to Disgaea series(at least console games, besides they already have most models, scripts, engines and textures for Disgaea since those games don't change in that department much unlike SMT games) and Atlus would probably want to make a huge jump from last gen graphics if they would consider putting SMT game on ps360 and this costs a LOT(after all development costs are 4-5 times higher compared to wii for small company like atlus that IS a huge deal) while at the same time they can make with ps2-game budget a full fledget wii title.

This shows someone hasn't played Disgaea 3.

@ Soriku

I think you mean that DQS is the second best selling third party game in Japan.



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Hero_time88 on 03 April 2009

I agree with some points Benga, but the Wii has still to demonstrate a lot in Japan, and some third-party sales have been really disappointing so far
in Japan. Next week Muramasa will come out, and I wonder how much it will sell compared to Odin Sphere, it's less hardcore though.

By the way, how much did the three previous Project Zero's sell in Japan? Can't find any numbers.



Zones on 03 April 2009

I think Persona 4 was actually set to be a PS3 game, until it was later changed to be a PS2 game. So, I personally think the programmers were actually working on developing an engine for a PS3 game while the other part of the team were working on Persona 4. With that, I think now they are ready to shift into HD with the first phase of development being completed, and in this case it would most likely be on PS3. But there's a possibility of an SMT spin-off for Wii.

It's actually hard to say anything concrete about Kingdom Hearts 3 for now, except that I personally think there will be a spin-off KH game on Wii soon, similar to Birth by Sleep on PSP in terms of graphics.

I think there is a high possibility for KH3 game to be released on PS3 (and Xbox 360 in west), because Square Enix have already created a great HD engine, and seeing how Nomura is working on a massive game like Versus XIII, you would think that it wouldn't be that hard to develop KH3 for PS3 by that time.



BengaBenga on 03 April 2009
Hero_time88 said:

I agree with some points Benga, but the Wii has still to demonstrate a lot in Japan, and some third-party sales have been really disappointing so far
in Japan. Next week Muramasa will come out, and I wonder how much it will sell compared to Odin Sphere, it's less hardcore though.

By the way, how much did the three previous Project Zero's sell in Japan? Can't find any numbers.

 

I agree that not all is perfect, but you really can't compare the games 3rd parties have released on Wii to the MGS4-Yakuza 3-Minna no Golf-Winning Eleven-RE5-DMC4 combi PS3 has seen. There's nothing that even comes close to that on Wii, yet the top 3 best sold 3rd party games has two Wii games.

I also don't really agree that Wii has to demonstrate a lot. 3rd parties have to demonstrate something, namely that they'll support Wii. Because they need to if they want a viable console in Japan. Please note that I don't mean that every game belongs on Wii, far from, but Wii is the only console with the potential to come close to PS2's userbase, something that is beneficial to all Japanese 3rd parties. Especially for those franchises that have minimal sales outside of Japan.

Monster Hunter 3, Samurai Warriors 3, Tales of Graces and the Dragon Quest X announcements are a great start and will absolutely drive hardware and software sales, but where's Konami? Where's Atlus? Where's Tecmo?

Muramasa will do fine, nothing stellar. Just like Odin Sphere.



Torillian on 03 April 2009
waron said:

first of all Disgaea 3 is 2d srpg that was probably a ported ps2 game. SMT games are much more "complicated" - i mean thea are all in 3d and very polished compared to Disgaea series(at least console games, besides they already have most models, scripts, engines and textures for Disgaea since those games don't change in that department much unlike SMT games) and Atlus would probably want to make a huge jump from last gen graphics if they would consider putting SMT game on ps360 and this costs a LOT(after all development costs are 4-5 times higher compared to wii for small company like atlus that IS a huge deal) while at the same time they can make with ps2-game budget a full fledget wii title.

 

You are making assumption about what Atlus would "want" to do.  You have no idea what kind of graphics they want for their next Persona title.  So tell me, if they kept graphics largely the same as they are now (which I can tell you as a Persona fan I would be perfectly fine with) then where is all this money going to?



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outlawauron on 03 April 2009
BengaBenga said:
Hero_time88 said:

I agree with some points Benga, but the Wii has still to demonstrate a lot in Japan, and some third-party sales have been really disappointing so far
in Japan. Next week Muramasa will come out, and I wonder how much it will sell compared to Odin Sphere, it's less hardcore though.

By the way, how much did the three previous Project Zero's sell in Japan? Can't find any numbers.

I agree that not all is perfect, but you really can't compare the games 3rd parties have released on Wii to the MGS4-Yakuza 3-Minna no Golf-Winning Eleven-RE5-DMC4 combi PS3 has seen. There's nothing that even comes close to that on Wii, yet the top 3 best sold 3rd party games has two Wii games.

I also don't really agree that Wii has to demonstrate a lot. 3rd parties have to demonstrate something, namely that they'll support Wii. Because they need to if they want a viable console in Japan. Please note that I don't mean that every game belongs on Wii, far from, but Wii is the only console with the potential to come close to PS2's userbase, something that is beneficial to all Japanese 3rd parties. Especially for those franchises that have minimal sales outside of Japan.

Monster Hunter 3, Samurai Warriors 3, Tales of Graces and the Dragon Quest X announcements are a great start and will absolutely drive hardware and software sales, but where's Konami? Where's Atlus? Where's Tecmo?

Muramasa will do fine, nothing stellar. Just like Odin Sphere.

It should do better than Fragile at least.



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