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Sullla on 03 April 2009
Procrastinato said:
People don't like that the Wii is starting to prove itself as a not-so-viable "core" games platform and that its chances of exceeding 55%, or even 50% marketshare are diminishing, that the 360 will not succeed as some RPG phenominon in Japan (or elsewhere), and that the PS3 actually can have better-looking games than the other consoles, with enough effort, just like Sony said.

They're just being defensive of their long-held, misinformed beliefs. Makes 'em upset, and desperate.

Unfortunately, you're the one who is incorrect here. The Wii is selling more units in 2009 compared to 2008 not only in an absolute sense, but also on a percentage basis. Just look at the hardware table from the first three months of each year:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 29th Mar 2008:


Console Wii PS3 X360
Total
4,115,029
2,532,851
1,808,398

 

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 03rd Jan 2009 to 28th Mar 2009:


Console Wii PS3 X360
Total
5,386,082
2,331,246
2,837,324

Wii 2008 sales: 4,115,029 out of 8,456,278: market share of 48.66%
Wii 2009 sales: 5,386,082 out of 10,554,652: market share of 51.03%

So even though PS360 combined sales are up by over 800k units for 2009, Wii is still selling at a better market share rate than it was a year ago. Most people on this website seem to think the opposite, because of those stupid percentage bars on the front page (i.e. last year Wii was only at ~40%, so even selling 45% on a week would increase market share, whereas now it has to exceed 49% weekly to increase). The reality is that the Wii is selling MUCH better this year than last year, and it shows every sign of continuing those amazing numbers. When was the last major software for Wii again, huh?

In fact, this really should be its own topic, since so many people don't understand how the market share percentage bars work...



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End of 2008 totals: Wii 42m, 360 24m, PS3 18.5m (made Jan. 4, 2008)

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Ascended_Saiyan3 on 03 April 2009
Procrastinato said:
People don't like that the Wii is starting to prove itself as a not-so-viable "core" games platform and that its chances of exceeding 55%, or even 50% marketshare are diminishing, that the 360 will not succeed as some RPG phenominon in Japan (or elsewhere), and that the PS3 actually can have better-looking games than the other consoles, with enough effort, just like Sony said.

They're just being defensive of their long-held, misinformed beliefs. Makes 'em upset, and desperate.

That being said, the PS3 still has a long way to go before it can make a comeback, in the business sense... although... it does command an awful high price, despite selling less individual units than the 360, and Sony's games division is starting to show profitability. You can't really call that a failure, no matter where you're coming from.

Will Sony recover the entire investment? Only time will tell. Same goes for MS.

That's it right there.

 



Ascended_Saiyan3 on 03 April 2009
sethnintendo said:
For the PS3 to outsell the Wii in Japan is no big deal. They average 2k-5k or so at most above in Japan. Others and NA numbers the Wii destroys the PS3. The only close race is between the Xbox360 and PS3.

This is an example of a "misinformed belief".  That's an example of trying to downplay the obviously huge accomplishment of outselling the Wii for 5 weeks straight.  The Wii has averaged around 10K or so per week in Japan in the past (based on data straight from Japan).

 



ImJustBayuum on 03 April 2009

Both the 360 and the wii receives equal amount of hate/criticism in forums..youre too sensitive about the last placing of the PS3, that you only notice the threads against PS3.



Ascended_Saiyan3 on 03 April 2009
TheSteve said:
I don't know about threatened... I own all three systems, but the PS3 is my least favorite system. I don't dislike it when it does well, but I do prefer when the others do, since I feel they're better products. It's no different than liking two restaurants, and being happy that your favorite of the two is making more money-- as long as they both stay in business, it's all good.

It could be possible that reactions to your posts are more in response to your complete lack of logic. Sony is behind 360 by over 8m units sold. They continue to trail by about 30,000 units per week. In order to turn this around within this generation, they would need to begin outselling 360 by something like 300,000 units a month. You have to figure that it's only three more years at most before another system hits... Sony needs to reverse the trend that is leading toward a 9m unit disparity to a factor of ten just to break even by the end of this generation. It's not going to happen.

Sony is 3rd. They should try harder next time.

I would say it's like having two restaurants.  One restaurant is charging $7.50 for a McDonald's type value meal.  The other restaurant is charging $10 for 7 course lobster and Kobe steak dinners.  Then, you have people the restaurant serving lobster and steak is too expensive and cheering for the other restaurant to win.  They feel better when they hear more people are going to the restaurant charging $7.50 for a McDonald's value meal.  Those same people try to talk up the value meal as the best thing in the world and what is "needed".  The things the restaurant provides in the $10 is just dismissed as "not needed".  Those people won't stop.  They will only take the other restaurant's offering at $7.50 or a value meal AND lobster/Kobe steak dinner at $8 to temporarily stop the groans.  Personally, I just don't understand that behavior.  I'm trying to see the logic in it and I'm drawing a blank.  It just seems to be "trendy" to not like Sony and the PS3.  I guess the viral marketing MS paid for was worth it.

Sony should try harder than giving the most powerful gaming console on the planet with features that would run you over $1,000 for just $400?  They are currently providing the best exclusive gaming line up available with the best graphics and audio for the past year (most likely to be 2 years after this one), but they should try harder?  You have scratch resistant game and movie discs because of that company, ya know.

MS just has a one console generation strategy with the money they lost so far on the X360.  Sony has at least a two console generation strategy with the Cell and Blu-ray.  That's a huge difference!  MS and Sony would be LUCKY to break even THIS console generation.

Yes, Sony is 3rd so far.  Of course, it already started out in 2nd place (people seem to completely disregard that fact).  Some people, also, seem to forget the PS3 is suppose to have a 9+ year lifecycle compared to 7 years for the X360.  That would mean the X360 has 3+ more years on the market and the PS3 has 7 more years.  ANYTHING can happen within that amount of time.

 



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Ascended_Saiyan3 on 03 April 2009
ImJustBayuum said:
Both the 360 and the wii receives equal amount of hate/criticism in forums..youre too sensitive about the last placing of the PS3, that you only notice the threads against PS3.

You must not be thinking about the past two years being averaged in.  Those threads are still easy to find.  Count them up and see what you come up with for both.  It's not even close.  Personally, I just don't like what the Wii represents for gaming technological advancement.  It represents a stand still in technology.  Plus, it's very overpriced for what it does.  A PS2 and an Eye Toy would give more interactivity and better games at half the price, but whatever.

 



786_ali on 03 April 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
TheSteve said:
I don't know about threatened... I own all three systems, but the PS3 is my least favorite system. I don't dislike it when it does well, but I do prefer when the others do, since I feel they're better products. It's no different than liking two restaurants, and being happy that your favorite of the two is making more money-- as long as they both stay in business, it's all good.

It could be possible that reactions to your posts are more in response to your complete lack of logic. Sony is behind 360 by over 8m units sold. They continue to trail by about 30,000 units per week. In order to turn this around within this generation, they would need to begin outselling 360 by something like 300,000 units a month. You have to figure that it's only three more years at most before another system hits... Sony needs to reverse the trend that is leading toward a 9m unit disparity to a factor of ten just to break even by the end of this generation. It's not going to happen.

Sony is 3rd. They should try harder next time.

I would say it's like having two restaurants.  One restaurant is charging $7.50 for a McDonald's type value meal.  The other restaurant is charging $10 for 7 course lobster and Kobe steak dinners.  Then, you have people the restaurant serving lobster and steak is too expensive and cheering for the other restaurant to win.  They feel better when they hear more people are going to the restaurant charging $7.50 for a McDonald's value meal.  Those same people try to talk up the value meal as the best thing in the world and what is "needed".  The things the restaurant provides in the $10 is just dismissed as "not needed".  Those people won't stop.  They will only take the other restaurant's offering at $7.50 or a value meal AND lobster/Kobe steak dinner at $8 to temporarily stop the groans.  Personally, I just don't understand that behavior.  I'm trying to see the logic in it and I'm drawing a blank.  It just seems to be "trendy" to not like Sony and the PS3.  I guess the viral marketing MS paid for was worth it.

Sony should try harder than giving the most powerful gaming console on the planet with features that would run you over $1,000 for just $400?  They are currently providing the best exclusive gaming line up available with the best graphics and audio for the past year (most likely to be 2 years after this one), but they should try harder?  You have scratch resistant game and movie discs because of that company, ya know.

MS just has a one console generation strategy with the money they lost so far on the X360.  Sony has at least a two console generation strategy with the Cell and Blu-ray.  That's a huge difference!  MS and Sony would be LUCKY to break even THIS console generation.

Yes, Sony is 3rd so far.  Of course, it already started out in 2nd place (people seem to completely disregard that fact).  Some people, also, seem to forget the PS3 is suppose to have a 9+ year lifecycle compared to 7 years for the X360.  That would mean the X360 has 3+ more years on the market and the PS3 has 7 more years.  ANYTHING can happen within that amount of time.

 

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kylohk on 03 April 2009

^Except that most fast food purchases are impulse buys.

The pricing of the Wii is high enough that people won't just buy it recklessly, unless they are some kind of materialist. If I were the average consumer and see the £179 price tag, would I recklessly spend nearly 10% of my monthly income after tax in such a jiffy?

Whereas if I were feeling hungry, I'd probably walk into a McDonald's in the heat of the moment and buy a £3.79 value meal since it hardly costs anything.



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Ascended_Saiyan3 on 03 April 2009
Sullla said:
Procrastinato said:
People don't like that the Wii is starting to prove itself as a not-so-viable "core" games platform and that its chances of exceeding 55%, or even 50% marketshare are diminishing, that the 360 will not succeed as some RPG phenominon in Japan (or elsewhere), and that the PS3 actually can have better-looking games than the other consoles, with enough effort, just like Sony said.

They're just being defensive of their long-held, misinformed beliefs. Makes 'em upset, and desperate.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 29th Mar 2008:


Console Wii PS3 X360
Total
4,115,029
2,532,851
1,808,398

 

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 03rd Jan 2009 to 28th Mar 2009:


Console Wii PS3 X360
Total
5,386,082
2,331,246
2,837,324

Wii 2008 sales: 4,115,029 out of 8,456,278: market share of 48.66%
Wii 2009 sales: 5,386,082 out of 10,554,652: market share of 51.03%

Here are the Japan numbers as accurately reported from Famitsu:

Hardware | This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
NDS | 65,809 | 80,181 | 1,007,884 | 26,127,527
PSP | 54,148 | 65,765 | 699,866 | 12,063,885
WII | 17,276 | 18,095 | 389,738 | 7,868,639
PS3 | 22,825 | 25,435 | 348,110 | 2,970,538
360 | 4,849 | 5,441 | 144,529 | 975,069
PS2 | 5,246 | 5,067 | 76,007 | 21,475,531

He was talking about in Japan.

 



Khuutra on 03 April 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:

Here are the Japan numbers as accurately reported from Famitsu:

Hardware | This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
NDS | 65,809 | 80,181 | 1,007,884 | 26,127,527
PSP | 54,148 | 65,765 | 699,866 | 12,063,885
WII | 17,276 | 18,095 | 389,738 | 7,868,639
PS3 | 22,825 | 25,435 | 348,110 | 2,970,538
360 | 4,849 | 5,441 | 144,529 | 975,069
PS2 | 5,246 | 5,067 | 76,007 | 21,475,531

He was talking about in Japan.

 

Procrastinato and Sulla are not talking about Japan.