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BTFeather55 on 02 April 2009
FJ-Warez said:
BTFeather55 said:
FJ-Warez said:

D@mn you killed this awesome thread...

 

 only if people choose to ignore the facts that I've already produced which are going to come back and bite the 360's expansion in Japan in the bum later this year.

 

Those "facts" are made up of pure speculation due to the succes of a couple last gen games, if you look for actual data, you can`t back up a similar bump of 7:1, 6:1 or 5:1... the games are selling and selling good, but the hardware doesn't follow a similar path...

 

 

 No they are not.  I can go back all the way to PS1 days to show staggering sales for Gran Turismo games and at the least all the way back to SNES days to show staggering sales for Final Fantasy games.



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BTFeather55 on 02 April 2009
jesus kung fu magic said:
BTFeather55 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
Max King of the Wild said:
people still calling 360 jrpg king? laughable

If you exclude handhelds , then yes. If your a huge jrpg fan then the 360 is the best choice.

 

 

      No, it itsn't.

The best srpg to have been released in the West so far this gen is Valkyrie Chronicle which is exclusive to the PS3.  None of the 360's jrpgs even measure up to most of the jrpgs that are still being released on PS2 inclduing the Persona games and the latest Ar Tonelico game.  And of upcoming JRPG's, the best version of Final Fantasy XIII will be on the PS3, Final Fantasy Versus XIII is exclusive to the PS3 right now (and even if it winds up not being exclusive in the West like FF XIII, its best version would still be on PS3), and they will both be far superior to any JRPG that has released so far this gen.

     And the Wii is actually getting better jrpgs than the 360 has:  Rune Factory, Kizuna, Arc Rise Fantasia, Muramasa, and Dragon Warrior X.

     Plus Kingdom Hearts 3 will be either going to the PS3 or Wii and whichever one of those two receives KH3 will wind up being this gen's King of JRPGs.

Its an sprg.....

 

      No, it's a Japanese strategy-role playing game.  Which means it is a Japanese role-playing game.

 



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FJ-Warez on 02 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:
FJ-Warez said:
BTFeather55 said:
FJ-Warez said:

D@mn you killed this awesome thread...

 

 only if people choose to ignore the facts that I've already produced which are going to come back and bite the 360's expansion in Japan in the bum later this year.

 

Those "facts" are made up of pure speculation due to the succes of a couple last gen games, if you look for actual data, you can`t back up a similar bump of 7:1, 6:1 or 5:1... the games are selling and selling good, but the hardware doesn't follow a similar path...

 

 

 No they are not.  I can go back all the way to PS1 days to show staggering sales for Gran Turismo games and at the least all the way back to SNES days to show staggering sales for Final Fantasy games.

The sales of past generations games are no a great way to predict the sales of the current generations consoles... just look the PS3 vs PS2 time frames and sales data. Like I said, the software will sell like the previous iterations, but the hardware jump is not going to be the same.

 



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BTFeather55 on 02 April 2009
FJ-Warez said:
BTFeather55 said:
 

     Yeah, the 360's install base will be pretty much irrelevant to publishers in Japan because they will have seen from Tales of Vesperia and Star Ocean that Japanese games just don't generate much money in Japan on the 360 in regards to what they do and will have the potential to do on the PS3 over there at the end of this year when the PS3 to 360 ration in Japan will be 5-7:1.  So after FF Versus XIII releases in June of 2010 exclusively on PS3 in Japan there will be no more exclusive jrpgs coming to the 360. 

 

 

The numbers don't back up your "wish", a 5:1 ratio must be:

6.5 Millions for the PS3

1.3 Millions for the 360

 

A 7:1 ratio should look like:

9.1 Millions for the PS3

1.3 Millions for the 360

 

Look at the front page and try to think about it for a few minutes...

 

 

 

 

Where is the 360 going to come up with 300,000 consoles sold in Japan this year?  It took it over 3 years to sell 1 million units there and last week its sales dropped all the way down to 3,600 units.  It's sales will probably be sub 3,000 units next week, so where is it going to come up with 300,000 units sold this year?



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FJ-Warez on 02 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:
FJ-Warez said:
BTFeather55 said:

     Yeah, the 360's install base will be pretty much irrelevant to publishers in Japan because they will have seen from Tales of Vesperia and Star Ocean that Japanese games just don't generate much money in Japan on the 360 in regards to what they do and will have the potential to do on the PS3 over there at the end of this year when the PS3 to 360 ration in Japan will be 5-7:1.  So after FF Versus XIII releases in June of 2010 exclusively on PS3 in Japan there will be no more exclusive jrpgs coming to the 360. 

 

 

The numbers don't back up your "wish", a 5:1 ratio must be:

6.5 Millions for the PS3

1.3 Millions for the 360

 

A 7:1 ratio should look like:

9.1 Millions for the PS3

1.3 Millions for the 360

 

Look at the front page and try to think about it for a few minutes...

 

 

 

 

Where is the 360 going to come up with 300,000 consoles sold in Japan this year?  It took it over 3 years to sell 1 million units there and last week its sales dropped all the way down to 3,600 units.  It's sales will probably be sub 3,000 units next week, so where is it going to come up with 300,000 units sold this year?

 

We can lower the 360 to 1.25 Millions if you like, the final number is no very different:

5:1:

6.25 Millions for the PS3

1.25 Millions for the 360

 

7:1

8.75 Millions for the PS3

1.25 Millions for the 360

 

Again, look for the numbers in the front page, your prediction just don't make sense (and my 360 numbers came from year to year sales plus decline, to sell just 250-260k this year in Japan)

 

 



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jesus kung fu magic on 02 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
BTFeather55 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
Max King of the Wild said:
people still calling 360 jrpg king? laughable

If you exclude handhelds , then yes. If your a huge jrpg fan then the 360 is the best choice.

 

 

      No, it itsn't.

The best srpg to have been released in the West so far this gen is Valkyrie Chronicle which is exclusive to the PS3.  None of the 360's jrpgs even measure up to most of the jrpgs that are still being released on PS2 inclduing the Persona games and the latest Ar Tonelico game.  And of upcoming JRPG's, the best version of Final Fantasy XIII will be on the PS3, Final Fantasy Versus XIII is exclusive to the PS3 right now (and even if it winds up not being exclusive in the West like FF XIII, its best version would still be on PS3), and they will both be far superior to any JRPG that has released so far this gen.

     And the Wii is actually getting better jrpgs than the 360 has:  Rune Factory, Kizuna, Arc Rise Fantasia, Muramasa, and Dragon Warrior X.

     Plus Kingdom Hearts 3 will be either going to the PS3 or Wii and whichever one of those two receives KH3 will wind up being this gen's King of JRPGs.

Its an sprg.....

 

      No, it's a Japanese strategy-role playing game.  Which means it is a Japanese role-playing game.

 

Can the J man say that mario kart is the best racer? No because its not just a racer , its a kart-racer making it completely different from other racers.

Same goes for VC ,  its not a jrpg its an srpg so you cant say its the best jrpg.

 



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The Anarchyz on 02 April 2009

You can't compare Final Fantasy XIII with Final Fantasy XII, or Gran Turismo 5 with Gran Turismo 4, the best way to compare is with the 1st games in the console, in the PS2 case, the comparison is with Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec and Final Fantasy X, now, in Japan FFX sold 2.35 million and GT3 sold 1.90 million...

Of course, past sales tell us nothing since we don't know how the people are going to respond, who knows if FFXIII can pull a FFVIII (the best-selling FF game in Japan) or GT5 can pull a GT (the best-selling GT game in Japan), or the other way around, doing mediocre sales for the franchise... my bet is that they will be somewhere in the middle...

And the amount of consoles depend on some factors, if the games have mediocre sales, average sales or become hits, if the PS3 does a price-cut around that time or before that, if the advertising is super agressive, etc., the thing is, i can see the PS3 doubling the sales, but i don't see the 360 gap being a 6:1 or 7:1, it can be 4.5:1 to 5.5:1, but who knows...



koffieboon on 02 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:

No they are not.  I can go back all the way to PS1 days to show staggering sales for Gran Turismo games and at the least all the way back to SNES days to show staggering sales for Final Fantasy games.

Can you also show where these games sell 1 million consoles as you are assuming here? Because that isn't going to happen, it won't even be close. And on top of that none of those games are actually confirmed to be released in 2009. Basically this means your opening post is filled with so many wrong assumptions there really isn't a basis for a reasonable discussion.

 



gergroy on 02 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:
mrstickball said:
Wiped, do you realize the X360:PS3 marketshare gap has decreased this year, and not increased?

What big games does the PS3 have that aren't going to drag it down into the 10k/wk category over the summer?

I'm not arguing that the 360 will move some fantastic number of units, but I don't see it moving so little as to allow the PS3 to achieve a 6:1 or 7:1 ratio.

So far, this year, the PS3 has sold 2.5:1 systems in Japan. In the same timespan in 2008 (Jan-Mar), the PS3 had a 6.6:1 gap.

So that gap has shrunk by 3 times in the last year...Not increased. I don't get the crazy logic that the PS3 is going to sell 6-7 million units even after the big hitters come out. It'll get a fantastic boost, but I don't see it selling as well as the PS3 fanboys want to argue.

 

 Final Fantasy XII on PS2 sold 2.42 million copies in Japan and GT4 sold well over a million in Japan.  Even if half those people that plan to buy those games for the PS3 already own a PS3 in Japan that still means that FFXIII and GT5 have the potential to at the very least move 1.5 million new PS3s in Japan during the holiday season.  Throw in another 1 million for Versus XIII and you still have the PS3, at the least, having an advantage of 5.5 million to less than 1.5 million, at most for the 360 in Japan.  And the two Final Fanatasies and GT5 aren't the only games coming to the PS3 over the next year and a half.  There will also be new games from Hideo Kojima, Team ICO's game, probably a new Yakuza game from Sega (and the latest one has sold 2x as many copies of the any of the 360's games there), Ninja Gaiden Sigma II, Eternal Mana Rossaria, Tales of Vesperia PS3 and probably Star Ocean 4 PS3 and The Last Remnant PS3.  And the PS3 version of any big Western multiplat game that sees release in Japan will most likely continue to sell much better there than the 360 version as will Japanese multiplat games:  GTA IV sold more than twice what the 360 version did in Japan, SFIV PS3 sold 2x times as many copies as the 360 version, and RE5 sold 4x as many copies as the 360 version.      

Woh, that is some crazy logic there buddy.  First of all, the ps2 install base was over 20 million units when those games came out.  It's very different to buy a game when you already have the system, but when you have to throw in another 400 dollars to buy a new system to play a game, you are going to turn off about 95% of your fans.  I think 5% is the most your going to get that are going to jump into buying a new system. 

The reason ps3 games sell better in japan is because it has a larger user base, same reason why 360 games sell better in America.  I don't think a lot of people on this site really understand that concept...

 



BTFeather55 on 02 April 2009
FJ-Warez said:
BTFeather55 said:
FJ-Warez said:
BTFeather55 said:
 

     Yeah, the 360's install base will be pretty much irrelevant to publishers in Japan because they will have seen from Tales of Vesperia and Star Ocean that Japanese games just don't generate much money in Japan on the 360 in regards to what they do and will have the potential to do on the PS3 over there at the end of this year when the PS3 to 360 ration in Japan will be 5-7:1.  So after FF Versus XIII releases in June of 2010 exclusively on PS3 in Japan there will be no more exclusive jrpgs coming to the 360. 

 

 

The numbers don't back up your "wish", a 5:1 ratio must be:

6.5 Millions for the PS3

1.3 Millions for the 360

 

A 7:1 ratio should look like:

9.1 Millions for the PS3

1.3 Millions for the 360

 

Look at the front page and try to think about it for a few minutes...

 

 

 

 

Where is the 360 going to come up with 300,000 consoles sold in Japan this year?  It took it over 3 years to sell 1 million units there and last week its sales dropped all the way down to 3,600 units.  It's sales will probably be sub 3,000 units next week, so where is it going to come up with 300,000 units sold this year?

 

We can lower the 360 to 1.25 Millions if you like, the final number is no very different:

5:1:

6.25 Millions for the PS3

1.25 Millions for the 360

 

7:1

8.75 Millions for the PS3

1.25 Millions for the 360

 

Again, look for the numbers in the front page, your prediction just don't make sense (and my 360 numbers came from year to year sales plus decline, to sell just 250-260k this year in Japan)

 

 

 

      The 360 won't be at 250,000 this year.  It will be very lucky to be at 150,000.  It's not going to get the jrpg support this year that it did in 2008.  And, even if it does, by some miracle for the 360 this year which doesn't seem very likely to occur at this point in time, most Japanese gamers are smart enough now to know that if they wait 6 months to a year the game will be ported over to the PS3 in an improved form, as is being done with Ninja Gaiden II and Tales of Vesperia, so they should wait to get those games.



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