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Lolcislaw said:
Megadude said:
dib8rman said:
Adjustment to values are caused by products in demand, when demand shifts it's only because a product was there to be demanded, demand can not and will not exist without a product; people didn't demand the wheel before it was invented.

The most sound conclusion in the Ps360 'core' argument is that the PS360 have proven that the core audience for Shooters IS larger than the core audience for shooters on the Wii. However in return the Wii core audience for shooters is proving itself to still be present as a competitive figure.

Unless you guys can explain the economics behind ignoring nearly 2 million in sales on Wii platform for 8 million in sales on the PS360 then there is no argument here and further conversation is an attempt to run for the real issue presented by "Happy".

If one is even the least bit curious about that 2 million to 8 million concept for ignoring the Wii, then nothing should be said about or to that person.

In the end it comes down to product however, Wii being the hot machine only means that hypothetically, if Gears and DMC and so on were on the Wii platform with the same amount of investment then Wii's current core for those games would be much larger. But Red Steele is really all it has to show for it.

In conclusion, ever green.

 

 The point is that not only is there not a big enough "core" audiance on the Wii but also that the Wii is so much less powerful then the PS360 that the game would need to be built for the Wii from the ground up. That costs a lot more oney then adjusting a shader for the PS3 version here compress a little file for 360 there.

From the Ground up tha game needs to be made for Wii.

As for "We don't know how a core game will sell on Wii because there aren't any" Madworld says "hello". And at least 10 other titles non first party.

 

I think you fail to understand what sort of game is Madworld, its not a core title like Gears or DMC its a very niche title that only caters to certain group within gaming community, released on 360 the game wouldnt sell much more, because of its artstyle mainly, just look at big cell shaded game which is Prince of Persia (it certainly did not flop, but sales are well disspoiting)

And what other tites? 10 ? Please list 10 big (budget, advertisment, good development team) third party efforts that have failed.

There is a core audience on the Wii, and sales of titles do prove it, i really dont mind some developers not puting their games on the Wii , its their choice and they have to face consequences of the decision, but you cannot justify it by saying that there is no audience on nintendo console. And do you think that gamer who bought Zelda: Twilight Princess will ignore similar big product if ever released on the Wii by 3rd party studio? Games like DMC or RE would sell on the Wii like they sell on HD consoles (just look at RE 4 Wii sales, an old port that have been released on other systems).

Wii does not get many blockbusters from 3rd parties, if it would they would sell as well as on 360 or PS3.

 

 

I thought Core was short for hardcore. Now "Core" seems to be any game that doesn't sell well on Wii. You see PS3 and 360 fans bicker all the time. But you'll never see a PS3 fan say: haze didn't do well because it's not 'core'" or a 360 fan say "too human failed because it's not core". Only Wii fans will actually defend all the shovelware on Wii. Developers make shovelware for all the systems. But it's Wii owners who by games like "Carnival Games" by the MLLIONS. PS2/Gamecube ports by the MILLIONS.

 



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Megadude

You thought wrong, it's not your fault though, many forum goers believe the same thing, core was just a term used to represent hindsight estimates on sales for specific titles, essentially a means to quantify and solute a demographic.

That's the reason you can understand clearly that the demographic involved in using Gears or Halo were predominantly men or boys, I believe it was 15-35 or something like that.

People started thinking hardcore meant core and so when a blog journalist asks about core they seem to use it interchangeably with hardcore for the sake of confusion. (Blame the media heh)

Reality is that people do not go by demography however, they go by perceived value which can't be quantified using the same algorithms.

For the sake of clarity and risking sounding like a broken record:

Hardcore is more normally used and understood to refer to gamers who understand gaming and hardcore games are games easily understood as a game.

The only problem with the above definition is that a person who plays The Conduit may not see Wii fit as a game, while the person who plays Wii fit may not see The Conduit as a game.

But here I am teaching something I guess... sucks for me.



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dib8rman said:

Megadude

You thought wrong, it's not your fault though, many forum goers believe the same thing, core was just a term used to represent hindsight estimates on sales for specific titles, essentially a means to quantify and solute a demographic.

That's the reason you can understand clearly that the demographic involved in using Gears or Halo were predominantly men or boys, I believe it was 15-35 or something like that.

People started thinking hardcore meant core and so when a blog journalist asks about core they seem to use it interchangeably with hardcore for the sake of confusion. (Blame the media heh)

Reality is that people do not go by demography however, they go by perceived value which can't be quantified using the same algorithms.

For the sake of clarity and risking sounding like a broken record:

Hardcore is more normally used and understood to refer to gamers who understand gaming and hardcore games are games easily understood as a game.

The only problem with the above definition is that a person who plays The Conduit may not see Wii fit as a game, while the person who plays Wii fit may not see The Conduit as a game.

But here I am teaching something I guess... sucks for me.

Sounds like BS to me. You just said "core" could be anything. Using a lot of rhetoric to add valitdity to your argument.

So core is not hardcore it's "hindsight estimates on sales for specific titles". Riiiight.

 

 



Reggie should ask him self why the wii is so underpowered, then he'll get his answer to why key Capcom tittle aren't on it's machine...

Seriously though, Capcom multiplatform engine only goes as far as the 360/PS3 and PC, they are after all at relative specs so porting is fairly easy and results are on par across the board...if they wanted to make a wii version they'd have to build and engine from the ground up along with the assets to make a decent port on the wii, otherwise you'll get dead rising...and for them it's more financially sound and risk free to simply release the sequal to umbrella chronicles, than it would be port RE5 to the wii.

I know allot of people will disagree with me, but such is the forum way of life.



You call it rhetoric, I call it application vis-a-vis.

Specific titles sure, but the term core can't be used to describe a game, as Mario Galaxy isn't core, it does however have a core audience on Wii platform, however Mario Galaxy doesn't have a core Audience on PS3 because well... it's not on that platform, see where I'm getting to?

My point was simple, I'm supplying Happy's argument with logical fodder (though he really doesn't need it). At this point all you've said is that I used a tool of formal debating to prove my point and that regardless of this it is simply BS to you for no apparent reason other than you believe it is BS, so good night to you sir.


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The Wii has done pretty well so far without traditional "hardcore" gamers, why the big concern now?

I don't think RE5 would sell well enough to justify the cost of Capcom building a engine to port it anyway sadly.



dib8rman said:
You call it rhetoric, I call it application vis-a-vis.

Specific titles sure, but the term core can't be used to describe a game, as Mario Galaxy isn't core, it does however have a core audience on Wii platform, however Mario Galaxy doesn't have a core Audience on PS3 because well... it's not on that platform, see where I'm getting to?

My point was simple, I'm supplying Happy's argument with logical fodder (though he really doesn't need it). At this point all you've said is that I used a tool of formal debating to prove my point and that regardless of this it is simply BS to you for no apparent reason other than you believe it is BS, so good night to you sir.


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 Your condescending tone betrays your intentions. Where is the point which you are trying to articulate?

"Core" is a term used to describe a certain type of game. Here you are saying "Core" is not a description but a mathematical equation applied to determine "hindsight estimates" for basically any game. You realize that the definition you provided for "Core" is now so broad you could apply it to any situation, tailored and molded perfectly to fit your point of view?

In that vein I could say something like every Bluray movie sold is a core game for PS3 because Wii doesn't play Bluray. And you would say no a movie is not a game. And I could say I pushed the play button and it was quite a fun game. You see? The definition you gave for core is vague at best but closer to mendacious. I commend your ambition padawan, but you will struggle to convince anyone of anything when you are dancing on the border of reality.

Good night, and good luck.

 

 

 

 

 



I'm typing from my PS3 now so I'll keep this short.

Your just not using reason, but your close to accurate, PS3 as far as gaming console s go does have a monopoly on the Blu-Ray movie audience, that is why it is a selling point after all. But Movies aren't games and twisting pronouns will only work to convince yourself. I was compromising on the "hardcore" definition, that's only to get my point across that hardcore and core are not interchangable. They don't mean the samething at least not directly.

I'm also not being condescending, so I wont apologize, I've made my point clear, it just seems like you have your own reservations toward my comment.

The joke is I don't agree with Reggie at all... But using a controller to type is getting to me, maybe tommorow? Also good luck with what?



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Dark Chaos said:
Skeeuk said:
res5 wouldnt work well on wii.......how would they make it coop etc

 

EASY

one person hold the nunchuck and one person hold the wii remote

 

Perfect!



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