@ Mesoteto: If I gave you 13 random playing cards out of a Poker deck of cards would you doubt that the cards in front of you were randomly chosen?

no they came for a reason, it was your hand touching a certain part, or the way the light bent off the face of x card

random is a myth for some reason or another every thing happens for a reason

we just might not be able to see it our understand why but there is a reason

Right, so we didn't use the senses to get the results, thus the results are correct. How we observe said results really doesn't matter. That's why your argument holds no water.

Oops, sorry, forgot what we were talking about. 

But I found this quote:
What does the frame-invariance of the spacetime interval really mean?  Minkowski said:  "From henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself, have vanished into the merest shadows and only a kind of blend of the two exists in its own right."  Consider a three-dimensional object, say a stick.  It casts a two-dimensional shadow against a wall.  If we turn the stick, the length of the shadow changes, even though the stick itself remains the same length.  In an analogous fashion, we can think about a four-dimensional spacetime "object."  All inertial observers agree that this object has the same "length" (interval) in spacetime.  However, different observers see different lengths for the three-dimensional "shadow" of the object in space.

(And the "interval", for instance, of something traveling at the speed of light would be zero, I presume because zero time would pass for them from our perspective.)

So I take it your position is that the "time" in "spacetime" is not in fact time as we ordinarily understand it. 

Aha!  "All the mass of a Schwarzschild black hole is concentrated at r = 0, a point of infinite density, where space and time come to an end."

That tells me that space, too, can be altered.  The incredible mass of the black hole has removed an (admittedly infinitely small) amount of space from the universe. 

Hold on, hold on.  appolose, I believe the challenge was proving HOW they work, not THAT they work.  So objecting to the fallibility of our senses being used to observe the results makes no sense.

why do they have to happen for a reason?

why does that reason have to be a god(s)?

if everything happens for a reason, why do we have free will?

if everything happens for a reason, why am i an atheist?

why do they have to happen for a reason?---

its just how it is, nothing is random in this world

why does that reason have to be a god(s)?

you can chose for it to not be but I chose for it to be b/c the bible of my faith says so, and while I don’t think all the facts are completely accurate i believe that those thing really did happen

if everything happens for a reason, why do we have free will?

This is a sticky point for many people you have the right to choose but have to take into account that every person on this planet from Jesus to Hitler had that same choice and while your choice might to be not to jump off a cliff the hundred people behind you might choice to push you off

if everything happens for a reason, why am i an atheist?

b/c you choice to be despite anything presented to you, god loved you enough to let you choice to love him back or hate him, he wont make your mind up for you just be there when you do

if everything happens for a reason, then youre saying what Hitler did was good for the world as god wanted him to kill all thoose jews.

There are so many opinions about that and each one gets a counter point

But your trying to twist my words, the reason the Jewish community took such a blow was b/c of the actions Hitler choice to take

Never once have I said there is a divine reason for such and such to happen

b/c god gave you free will and he loves us all the same he gave it to Hitler as well, some people just make better choices about that

my personal opinion is summed up in a cartoon I once saw, it was a little girl looking at an old man with a tattoo of a number on his arm, when asked why he had it and kept it the old man respond , “its not so I forget but to remind the word what happened”

yeah a tragic thing happened but it wasn’t b/c god willed it on the Jewish faith, it wasn’t b/c the Nazis knew how to pray better or harder then the Jewish faith, it was simply b/c good people made the wrong choice or no choice or let bad people make it for them, and if you absolutely need to turn it into a good or bad thing you will never win, the harsh reality of the situation is horrible, but the amount of knowledge into how we should and shouldn’t treat humane beings, the ability of it to make you do a bit of soul searching, and the power it has to shape the world is a good thing

but then again my faith has me always picking my self back up and finding the silver lining in all things

scifi... you can't be serious... you invoked an Godwin's law....