right to solve this here is the definition of the word from Nintendo's point of view.


core- people who have played Nintendo franchises and are fans of those franchises. Nintendo fanboys would perhaps be another way of putting although they are not exactly the same thing.

nothing to do with difficulty, nothing to do with how mature the game is, nothing to do with how much time they spend on the internet talking about games.  zelda is said to be core, does that mean that casuals cant enjoy it? no zelda is very well known and enjoyed by the so called casuals.   but what about wii sports resort. is that a core game?  the expanded audience can enjoy it, but the core can enjoy it too. so is it casual or core?

the truth is that casual/core are not classes but a spectrum. zelda lies more at the core end, wii sports resort more at the casual end.  pikmin and mario kart lie somewhere in the middle.

persoannly, ill take wii sports resort over excitebots, f-zero or punchout!! anyday. the way i see it, it all comes down time and resources.  it is simply impossible for nintendo to get out enough games to please everyone. say nintedo released star fox and pikmin 3 instead of battalion wars 2 and metroid prime 3. would that have been better? for some yes and others no. likewise some want new IP instead of old frnachises. would it have been better for nintendo to put out a new 'core IP' instead of excitebots? some will enjoy the new IP more than excitebots, whilst others would find excitebots more appelaing. really it just comes down to the luck of the draw.  lets look at some examples

person A- his/her wants are wii verisons of  batallion wars, metroid, fire emblem mario kart and he also wants starfy and rhythm heaven localised for the west . pretty  happy

person B-his/her wants are wii versions of pikmin, kirby, f-zero as well as localisations of fatal frame IV and disaster for USA. their not very happy.

in reality this doesnt happen often and instead people are likely to have some wants that are fulfilled and some that are still unfulfilled. most people accept that and get on with their lives. it is the insaitable ones that complain about this making claims that nintendo has abandoned its core fanbase and the such. in my opinion, the worst are the ones wh complain that nintnedo hasnt catered for their every whim by making a 2D metroid or a classic starx wiiware game or ANOTHER, 2d mario for DS

this isnt a rant by the way, this is just me (hopfully) starting a very good discussion on thsi matter. im not a rabid fanboy and certainly dont see nintendo as perfect, i just want a reasoanble discussion without anyone having to resort to abuse

The problem with that whole interview with Denise Kaigler is that she seems to think we are insatiable.

I don't think that's the case, I am very much satiated between my third party games and first party ones.
3 games? 3 games? the HD consoles have at least 2 games that I am interested in buying every month. Most are new IPs. Some months have 2 or 3.
look at the past 50 days:
re5, killzone 2, street fighter 4, fear 2, legends of wrestlemania, noby noby boy, and a bunch of sports games- those are my interests
For me there were 7 potential buys in that time period. Albeit this was a good couple months, but there is always at least 1 game a month.

You can't just list 3 games over 2 years and then say we are insatiable.

but all those games are from different companys. whilst shes talking about is the people demanding more from nintendo. if you want more third party games then fair enough but Nintendo should not solely have to provide everybody's games. delaing purely with nintnedo here, what have they provided that youve liked and what more what you like them to do?

I think the argument is that the games are not there, in any form.
It's not my beef.
only nintendo: perhaps MKwii and SMG and TP
3rd parties: Oneechanbara, boom blox, world of goo, and a few others

The argument is that there aren't enough core games, whoever is at fault.
But its a tiring argument of what is core and what is what and so on to infinity.

I would say that I am a hardcore gamer. Gaming is my main hobby, besides going on the Internet on gaming sites and stuff. :D

But the core is insatiable. The game industry owes its present existence to that fact, because after everyone else left the hobby in the late 1990s the core has had to sustain the industry all by itself. It couldn't do that if it weren't insatiable.

The problem was that the core couldn't keep it up forever on its own, and Nintendo predicted this. Even in this gen the core market is barely able to sustain console-exclusive games; third parties go cross-platform with their core games because it's the only way they can make any money. What Nintendo saw that its competitors did not was that gaming needed to be for everyone again, not just the core, and that is why Nintendo won.

@ millenium

The small handful of what she described as core games in nowhere near satiable for even a casual gamer as the attach rate for wii is more than the number of games she could even list.

Gaming was never for everyone in the first place. It was a fad when it came out, and then that interest died out, leaving only the people that actually really enjoyed video games. The wii sells a lot because it is easy to understand and has a good value, and this accessibility is what sells.

However, the wii could be doing a lot more to appeal to HD owners as well. But they are not doing it because, hey.. why would they want to cut into their profits? Releasing more games would just mean that older games would be bought with less frequency.
Ex: Mario super sluggers- one iteration that sells for the lifetime. One development cost. Sports games update rosters and mechanics every season, having to spend money to make new games which then sell less because last year's iteration is now useless to fans.
This is the nintendo strategy.

Sin and Punishment 2 and Punch Out are the most fan service core titles Nintendo have made since the Wii launched. They know what to do and they will continue to look after us, calm down.

And btw Excitebots looks like a stoners paradise, thats pretty core in my eyes.

This thread unfortunately saw its first

"the Wii has no games"

comment in the second post

What a sad day for VGChartz

guessing you didn't read the interview. Cuz the first post actually said it.