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Onyxmeth said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't get it. What is this website? All I gather is a motto that the site has intentions to gather people as Americans the same way they were on 9/12/01. If I recall that was utterly horrified, scared, and united in the fear of a still unknown cause to a series of plane crashes the day before. So we're trying to go back to that again? What's funny is that I believe the terrorists have the same dream for Americans, get them back to 9/12/01.

Can anyone address this at all? I know it's far too on-topic to catch much notice, but still, I'd like to know why it's a good idea to promote the togetherness wrapped around our commons fears like we were on 9/12/01. I just don't get why that is a day we'd like to recapture and bottle.

 

 

The idea is that we don't get complacent and lax in national security to the point where we let it happen again.

That, and what others have mentioned earlier, that during that sad time at least the 2 major parties were united and working together for a brief period.



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Broncos724 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't get it. What is this website? All I gather is a motto that the site has intentions to gather people as Americans the same way they were on 9/12/01. If I recall that was utterly horrified, scared, and united in the fear of a still unknown cause to a series of plane crashes the day before. So we're trying to go back to that again? What's funny is that I believe the terrorists have the same dream for Americans, get them back to 9/12/01.

Can anyone address this at all? I know it's far too on-topic to catch much notice, but still, I'd like to know why it's a good idea to promote the togetherness wrapped around our commons fears like we were on 9/12/01. I just don't get why that is a day we'd like to recapture and bottle.

 

 

The idea is that we don't get complacent and lax in national security to the point where we let it happen again.

Can you point me to where on that website they explain that? I didn't see the general crux of news, videos, etc. focusing on that aspect, so I'm merely wondering whether this is you interpreting the message in your own way to give it more credence or if the website does reflect what you just said.

 



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Onyxmeth said:
Broncos724 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't get it. What is this website? All I gather is a motto that the site has intentions to gather people as Americans the same way they were on 9/12/01. If I recall that was utterly horrified, scared, and united in the fear of a still unknown cause to a series of plane crashes the day before. So we're trying to go back to that again? What's funny is that I believe the terrorists have the same dream for Americans, get them back to 9/12/01.

Can anyone address this at all? I know it's far too on-topic to catch much notice, but still, I'd like to know why it's a good idea to promote the togetherness wrapped around our commons fears like we were on 9/12/01. I just don't get why that is a day we'd like to recapture and bottle.

 

 

The idea is that we don't get complacent and lax in national security to the point where we let it happen again.

Can you point me to where on that website they explain that? I didn't see the general crux of news, videos, etc. focusing on that aspect, so I'm merely wondering whether this is you interpreting the message in your own way to give it more credence or if the website does reflect what you just said.

 

 

I think the main idea on the website was the both parties working together point.  I was interpreting the other point myself, but I still think it's a very valid reason to never forget how we felt on 9/12.



mrs.nordlead said:
i havent posted much even though i started this thread, but a few people have summed up my opinions rather well. the thing is, is i could argue and give my statistics and sources and debate till i am blue in the face and im sure i wont change your opinions, just as you doing the same will never change mine. i do think that people need to realize that there will always be corrupt people who get into power, (weather we agree on who the corrupt one is....) and as a nation we need to be able to make sure that that person/persons dont take us to a point of destruction....it could happen, and people need to get their heads out of the clouds and start paying attention to what is going on so that we never let things get to that point.

I would still like to hear your views on socialist health care though. Others have stated it before but I will state it again: much of the modernised (western) world has socialist health care. the whole of the EU. Australia, Canada... and each of them ranks higher in citizen health then the US. How can a Us socialist based health care then still be detrimental for the country?

@ Onyxmeth

I agreed with you the moment I read it but simply agreeing does not add a whole lot to the discussion. Finding unity in fear is indeed one of the more stupid wishes. Even if you desire the unity without the fear, then your still conveying the massage the wrong way or you are merely hoping for shock-value.
I'd rather see unity in sports. Seriously. Yesterday I went partying with a bunch of Scots even after the Netherlands cleaned house 3-0 and it was awesome. If you look at pictures from fans during a world cup you see people of all nationality's in celebration. Now that is awesome unity!

 



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Broncos724 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Broncos724 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't get it. What is this website? All I gather is a motto that the site has intentions to gather people as Americans the same way they were on 9/12/01. If I recall that was utterly horrified, scared, and united in the fear of a still unknown cause to a series of plane crashes the day before. So we're trying to go back to that again? What's funny is that I believe the terrorists have the same dream for Americans, get them back to 9/12/01.

Can anyone address this at all? I know it's far too on-topic to catch much notice, but still, I'd like to know why it's a good idea to promote the togetherness wrapped around our commons fears like we were on 9/12/01. I just don't get why that is a day we'd like to recapture and bottle.

 

 

The idea is that we don't get complacent and lax in national security to the point where we let it happen again.

Can you point me to where on that website they explain that? I didn't see the general crux of news, videos, etc. focusing on that aspect, so I'm merely wondering whether this is you interpreting the message in your own way to give it more credence or if the website does reflect what you just said.

 

 

I think the main idea on the website was the both parties working together point.  I was interpreting the other point myself, but I still think it's a very valid reason to never forget how we felt on 9/12.

How do you interpret how we felt on 9/12/01? I've given my thoughts which revolve around togetherness based on fear, utter shock, and common blind hatred towards middle easterns. How exactly do you extrpolate the feelings of 9/12/01 into a common day motto to work with?

I just personally don't feel 9/12 is the kind of togetherness we should be celebrating and working towards, even though I understand it was meant in a more positive manner, it's still misguided. What if I made a website for togetherness and compared it to the togetherness the Germans felt during WWII while commiting atrocities? I don't actually want people to become Nazis together, but it's hard to seperate the negative implications of that togetherness and just extrapolate the fact that everyone was united. The reasoning behind everyone being united should matter, and I don't think the way we were on 9/12/01 is anything to welcome back and in the case of many people, nothing to be proud of. I'm sure there are better days than that. How about the Million Man March day?

 



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Onyxmeth said:

It's the basis of the entire website. If it's a bad analogy then doesn't this whole website and it's motto become worthless? We were stuck togther in fear and the unknown on 9/12/01. We were also extremely prejudiced against middle easterns on 9/12/01 but I'm sure everyone would like to forget that part, or maybe that's part of the motto also.

I still don't understand the togetherness of this website. It mentions God, which is a devisive force in itself regarding community and government, and that happens to be an important talking point of this website. What about atheists? Are they not welcome to this 9/12/01 re-enactment barbeque? Or did they just not exist 8 years ago?

 

We were stuck together by national pride and American values.  We did not give a rat's ass about party, idealogy, about what my neighbor did with my lawnmower, or what have you.  We were essentially one...a country with high hopes for the future.  Now we are a complaining country debating who is to blame at every thing gone wrong whether it is gas prices, the economy, or not enough ketchup on our fries.  It is utterly rediculous to think that we cannot get together for the benefit of the country.  If we cannot, then the future of the USA is that of a fragmented, anarchist state where chaos rule supreme and the majority is cast aside for the supremacy of the few.  History will be repeated and out of the ashes we will face a decision: do we work together or do we abandon all hope for a better tomorrow for ourselves and our posterity.  I would rather choose the former 110% of the time.

 

This is the rationale of the site.  It may contain one-liners about things that draw in conservatives (God, nationalism) but it is about something grander--it is about how do we as Americans look for a better tommorow.

 



halogamer1989 said:
Onyxmeth said:

It's the basis of the entire website. If it's a bad analogy then doesn't this whole website and it's motto become worthless? We were stuck togther in fear and the unknown on 9/12/01. We were also extremely prejudiced against middle easterns on 9/12/01 but I'm sure everyone would like to forget that part, or maybe that's part of the motto also.

I still don't understand the togetherness of this website. It mentions God, which is a devisive force in itself regarding community and government, and that happens to be an important talking point of this website. What about atheists? Are they not welcome to this 9/12/01 re-enactment barbeque? Or did they just not exist 8 years ago?

 

We were stuck together by national pride and American values.  We did not give a rat's ass about party, idealogy, about what my neighbor did with my lawnmower, or what have you.  We were essentially one...a country with high hopes for the future.  Now we are a complaining country debating who is to blame at every thing gone wrong whether it is gas prices, the economy, or not enough ketchup on our fries.  It is utterly rediculous to think that we cannot get together for the benefit of the country.  If we cannot, then the future of the USA is that of a fragmented, anarchist state where chaos rule supreme and the majority is cast aside for the supremacy of the few.  History will be repeated and out of the ashes we will face a decision: do we work together or do we abandon all hope for a better tomorrow for ourselves and our posterity.  I would rather choose the former 110% of the time.

 

This is the rationale of the site.  It may contain one-liners about things that draw in conservatives (God, nationalism) but it is about something grander--it is about how do we as Americans look for a better tommorow.

 

I've avoided getting into large debates because they're often started in the most pathetic ways. But reading this was pretty much painful.

If we were stuck together by "national pride and American values," then why did we need an attack on our soils to do that? To expand on an idea presented by Onyxmeth, the Nazis were united in national pride and German values (whatever that's supposed to mean anyways). And while I could just rip apart your sentence sentence by sentence, I find it rather pointless. For something who has been incredibly one-sided, constantly ripping on people with different viewpoints, you all of a sudden claim you're for a united America and togetherness? If there was a company that sold bullcrap, their stock would be soaring.

And I don't understand the rationale besides getting together. So we feel united for a day or two and have fun with our celebration. What after that? We go back to our normal routine, of course. It won't prove or change a thing. And the whole thing about the anarchist state was so hilarious I accidentally bumped my head on my desk while laughing. So if you don't get together to remember a date when we were united in fear, the U.S. will have a future of anarchy and chaos? What do we have now then?

I'm not even sure why people follow this. If you really want to help the U.S., go to the shopping mall. The country will be fine without unification through fear.



 

 

Onyxmeth said:
Broncos724 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Broncos724 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't get it. What is this website? All I gather is a motto that the site has intentions to gather people as Americans the same way they were on 9/12/01. If I recall that was utterly horrified, scared, and united in the fear of a still unknown cause to a series of plane crashes the day before. So we're trying to go back to that again? What's funny is that I believe the terrorists have the same dream for Americans, get them back to 9/12/01.

Can anyone address this at all? I know it's far too on-topic to catch much notice, but still, I'd like to know why it's a good idea to promote the togetherness wrapped around our commons fears like we were on 9/12/01. I just don't get why that is a day we'd like to recapture and bottle.

 

 

The idea is that we don't get complacent and lax in national security to the point where we let it happen again.

Can you point me to where on that website they explain that? I didn't see the general crux of news, videos, etc. focusing on that aspect, so I'm merely wondering whether this is you interpreting the message in your own way to give it more credence or if the website does reflect what you just said.

 

 

I think the main idea on the website was the both parties working together point.  I was interpreting the other point myself, but I still think it's a very valid reason to never forget how we felt on 9/12.

How do you interpret how we felt on 9/12/01? I've given my thoughts which revolve around togetherness based on fear, utter shock, and common blind hatred towards middle easterns. How exactly do you extrpolate the feelings of 9/12/01 into a common day motto to work with?

I just personally don't feel 9/12 is the kind of togetherness we should be celebrating and working towards, even though I understand it was meant in a more positive manner, it's still misguided. What if I made a website for togetherness and compared it to the togetherness the Germans felt during WWII while commiting atrocities? I don't actually want people to become Nazis together, but it's hard to seperate the negative implications of that togetherness and just extrapolate the fact that everyone was united. The reasoning behind everyone being united should matter, and I don't think the way we were on 9/12/01 is anything to welcome back and in the case of many people, nothing to be proud of. I'm sure there are better days than that. How about the Million Man March day?

 

You're overthinking it, it's just a site for the purpose of remembering 9/11, of which there are many good reasons to never forget that day and the ensuing aftermath.

 



MontanaHatchet said:

I've avoided getting into large debates because they're often started in the most pathetic ways. But reading this was pretty much painful.

If we were stuck together by "national pride and American values," then why did we need an attack on our soils to do that? To expand on an idea presented by Onyxmeth, the Nazis were united in national pride and German values (whatever that's supposed to mean anyways). And while I could just rip apart your sentence sentence by sentence, I find it rather pointless. For something who has been incredibly one-sided, constantly ripping on people with different viewpoints, you all of a sudden claim you're for a united America and togetherness? If there was a company that sold bullcrap, their stock would be soaring.

And I don't understand the rationale besides getting together. So we feel united for a day or two and have fun with our celebration. What after that? We go back to our normal routine, of course. It won't prove or change a thing. And the whole thing about the anarchist state was so hilarious I accidentally bumped my head on my desk while laughing. So if you don't get together to remember a date when we were united in fear, the U.S. will have a future of anarchy and chaos? What do we have now then?

I'm not even sure why people follow this. If you really want to help the U.S., go to the shopping mall. The country will be fine without unification through fear.

We didn't but we are always too preoccupied to come together. 

Because to Treaty of Versailles pushed them to hyperinflation and revolution but that is different from the 9/11 situation.

I have many Democratic friends who support me for who I am and what I stand for even though they don't like Republicans.  It is about transcendance.  Also, the corp you mentioned exists: it is called fertilizer companies and they do all right, btw!

Order and law amid a reorganizing period.  I am referring to something that most Americans cannot comphrehend...a Civil War II or Second American Revolution.  I would have thought that most liberals would be up on their history for this to be readily understood, ie France (of all countries) for example.

Bush said the same exact thing after 9/11.

 

 



halogamer1989 said:
Onyxmeth said:

It's the basis of the entire website. If it's a bad analogy then doesn't this whole website and it's motto become worthless? We were stuck togther in fear and the unknown on 9/12/01. We were also extremely prejudiced against middle easterns on 9/12/01 but I'm sure everyone would like to forget that part, or maybe that's part of the motto also.

I still don't understand the togetherness of this website. It mentions God, which is a devisive force in itself regarding community and government, and that happens to be an important talking point of this website. What about atheists? Are they not welcome to this 9/12/01 re-enactment barbeque? Or did they just not exist 8 years ago?

 

We were stuck together by national pride and American values.  We did not give a rat's ass about party, idealogy, about what my neighbor did with my lawnmower, or what have you.  We were essentially one...a country with high hopes for the future.  Now we are a complaining country debating who is to blame at every thing gone wrong whether it is gas prices, the economy, or not enough ketchup on our fries.  It is utterly rediculous to think that we cannot get together for the benefit of the country.  If we cannot, then the future of the USA is that of a fragmented, anarchist state where chaos rule supreme and the majority is cast aside for the supremacy of the few.  History will be repeated and out of the ashes we will face a decision: do we work together or do we abandon all hope for a better tomorrow for ourselves and our posterity.  I would rather choose the former 110% of the time.

 

This is the rationale of the site.  It may contain one-liners about things that draw in conservatives (God, nationalism) but it is about something grander--it is about how do we as Americans look for a better tommorow.

 

American values? What are those? Are they different from the potential values of any other country or person residing within? At times I find it hard to communicate with you because I feel I'm talking to an interactive pamphlet. You don't seem to talk to people as much as you talk catch phrases and one liners about common place stuff I'd find on the back of an Ann Coulter novel to assist with sales.

If you want to talk to me about that day then don't mask it, sugar coat it, or turn it into a fucking rosy utopia. Come back down to reality. Recall what this country was really like on 9/12/01 and realize there were many traits that brought together Americans on that day that we should not be proud of and there probably is a better day in american history where the country came together that does not sting of so much bitterness towards other types of people and had everybody huddled together out of fear of terrorism and death. I admire the aspects of 9/12/01 involving in and out of state volunteers gathering in Manhattan to assist with the disaster. However the majority of this country sat on a fucking couch and watched TV all day. The national pride you feel on your couch does not translate to the next guy's couch. I did feel the American values of hustling for that dollar when World Trade Center rubble started appearing on eBay. Should we recall that part of 9/12/01 also or can that be stricken from the record to paint a better picture?

Any website with a real message doesn't need to rely on such gimmicks to attract people. The kind of people that get reeled in about dreams of a hopeful tomorrow like 9/12 are weak willed individuals coerced by marketing, nothing more. They see let's be together like 9/12/01 and they see a Quiznos commercial and get the same thought, "sell me that shit!". If this website has true value, and is not merely handpicked news stories then please let me know. Just don't sell me on that bullshit catchphrase/motto/whatever because I know even you aren't falling for that garbage. Give me the real message, not the poorly conceived analogy (even you have to admit it is).

 



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