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MaxwellGT2000 on 28 March 2009

Interesting, so does this mean Starcraft 2 Wii confirmed? :P In all seriousness I'd love to see them do something with the Wii but it takes Blizzard so long to make ONE game it may come out in 2016 :P



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nen-suer on 28 March 2009

NO... i think he means why they didn't add a keyboard and mouse support

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johnathonmerritt on 28 March 2009
vlad321 said:
johnathonmerritt said:
Wow! Has Blizzard ever considered using keyboard and mouse controls? I know noone has ever done this before. That's why there are no PC games, ever. You know UT3 works just fine with a keyboard and mouse on the PS3. I wonder why Blizzard can't program for that?

Sure the 360 may be out of the question other than a controller, but come on Blizzard. Quit making excuses like this. The PS3 is currently the best platform to port PC game onto. Mainly because they don't have to change anything except the base code. Graphics, sound, controlls, and gameplay can all be done +/- near equal.

I understand the Wii is what they are looking at because they can make more money there, but let's not make false accusations about the PS3 and 360. Controllers work fine for RTS game and MMO. Not as good, but still, they work well. Plus, like I said before, what's so bad about using a keyboard and mouse? Will Blizzard stop making PC games now since it is an outdated controll sceme that they don't want to use anymore?

 

Are you shitting me? Porting to the PS3 is far hader than it is for the 360, simply because SONY decided to make PS3's hardware a mess and a nightmare for any developer.

Also controllers do NOT work for RTS games and MMO games at all.

Wii is Blizzard's best bet simply because of the types of games they make. They are ncie and simple and very easy to get into. You never realize how they eat away 4 years of your life.

I didn't mean to sound like I was saying the PS3 is easier to port to than the 360. I just mean the PS3 fully supports a keyboard and mouse, so they don' t need to change the game at all. All they have to do is make it work on the PS3. They don't have to worry about mapping buttons to a controller. Yes I know it's easier to port to the 360 programming wise. The 360 would be the #1 pick for porting by far if they had keyboard and mouse support.

Pretty much my point is that by Blizzard saying the PS3 needs better controll support, they are also saying PCs need better controll support. Their argument doesn't make any since at all.



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The on 28 March 2009

If there's something clear this gen is this: Whatever the precise formula of success the Wii has achieved it stays with Nintendo. Third party developers haven't embraced it after 2.5 years and looking at 2009 annoucements it seems they won't, seriously, ever. The Wiimote mechanic hasn't evolved since it was introduced, and it will likely stay that way. Developers are not interested or motivated or won't risk developing new and engaging ways to exploit the device, or so it's been the case until now. The difference in hardware between the HD consoles doesn't help developers either. It would seem there are more developers these days looking to cash in the "downloadable game fever" on XBL and PSN, creating atractive bite-sized games than spending on research to create something unique for an outdated hardware which targets a very confusing mixed group of people (judging by the sales of third party software from big companies).



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dahuman on 28 March 2009
NanakiXI said:
I just wonder if the make a game with new IP for the Wii and it fails what would they say next?

Next thing we know they will be trashing Nintendo and calling the "Fucking Genesis".

 

uh, Blizzard people are actually talented people so they wouldn't call the Wii a Genesis like that idiot even if a game is to fail.



dahuman on 28 March 2009
johnathonmerritt said:
Wow! Has Blizzard ever considered using keyboard and mouse controls? I know noone has ever done this before. That's why there are no PC games, ever. You know UT3 works just fine with a keyboard and mouse on the PS3. I wonder why Blizzard can't program for that?

Sure the 360 may be out of the question other than a controller, but come on Blizzard. Quit making excuses like this. The PS3 is currently the best platform to port PC game onto. Mainly because they don't have to change anything except the base code. Graphics, sound, controlls, and gameplay can all be done +/- near equal.

I understand the Wii is what they are looking at because they can make more money there, but let's not make false accusations about the PS3 and 360. Controllers work fine for RTS game and MMO. Not as good, but still, they work well. Plus, like I said before, what's so bad about using a keyboard and mouse? Will Blizzard stop making PC games now since it is an outdated controll sceme that they don't want to use anymore?

 

actually, PS3 and Wii are still more towards the console side while the 360 is still the closest thing to a PC....... programming for cell is very very different and it's not a matter of "base" code, it'd have to be a new engine completely.



dahuman on 28 March 2009
The said:
If there's something clear this gen is this: Whatever the precise formula of success the Wii has achieved it stays with Nintendo. Third party developers haven't embraced it after 2.5 years and looking at 2009 annoucements it seems they won't, seriously, ever. The Wiimote mechanic hasn't evolved since it was introduced, and it will likely stay that way. Developers are not interested or motivated or won't risk developing new and engaging ways to exploit the device, or so it's been the case until now. The difference in hardware between the HD consoles doesn't help developers either. It would seem there are more developers these days looking to cash in the "downloadable game fever" on XBL and PSN, creating atractive bite-sized games than spending on research to create something unique for an outdated hardware which targets a very confusing mixed group of people (judging by the sales of third party software from big companies).

 

they already are focusing more on the Wii lol, the games are just not out yet since the dev cycle started way late.



dahuman on 28 March 2009
johnathonmerritt said:
vlad321 said:
johnathonmerritt said:
Wow! Has Blizzard ever considered using keyboard and mouse controls? I know noone has ever done this before. That's why there are no PC games, ever. You know UT3 works just fine with a keyboard and mouse on the PS3. I wonder why Blizzard can't program for that?

Sure the 360 may be out of the question other than a controller, but come on Blizzard. Quit making excuses like this. The PS3 is currently the best platform to port PC game onto. Mainly because they don't have to change anything except the base code. Graphics, sound, controlls, and gameplay can all be done +/- near equal.

I understand the Wii is what they are looking at because they can make more money there, but let's not make false accusations about the PS3 and 360. Controllers work fine for RTS game and MMO. Not as good, but still, they work well. Plus, like I said before, what's so bad about using a keyboard and mouse? Will Blizzard stop making PC games now since it is an outdated controll sceme that they don't want to use anymore?

 

Are you shitting me? Porting to the PS3 is far hader than it is for the 360, simply because SONY decided to make PS3's hardware a mess and a nightmare for any developer.

Also controllers do NOT work for RTS games and MMO games at all.

Wii is Blizzard's best bet simply because of the types of games they make. They are ncie and simple and very easy to get into. You never realize how they eat away 4 years of your life.

I didn't mean to sound like I was saying the PS3 is easier to port to than the 360. I just mean the PS3 fully supports a keyboard and mouse, so they don' t need to change the game at all. All they have to do is make it work on the PS3. They don't have to worry about mapping buttons to a controller. Yes I know it's easier to port to the 360 programming wise. The 360 would be the #1 pick for porting by far if they had keyboard and mouse support.

Pretty much my point is that by Blizzard saying the PS3 needs better controll support, they are also saying PCs need better controll support. Their argument doesn't make any since at all.

most PS3 games don't use a keyboard and mouse, and most people would have to shell out more money to buy new ones assuming they have no back up ones, DS3 is the main controller, or they'd have shipped their PS3 with a keyboard and mouse like computers, so PC not included.

 



johnathonmerritt on 28 March 2009
dahuman said:
johnathonmerritt said:
vlad321 said:
johnathonmerritt said:
Wow! Has Blizzard ever considered using keyboard and mouse controls? I know noone has ever done this before. That's why there are no PC games, ever. You know UT3 works just fine with a keyboard and mouse on the PS3. I wonder why Blizzard can't program for that?

Sure the 360 may be out of the question other than a controller, but come on Blizzard. Quit making excuses like this. The PS3 is currently the best platform to port PC game onto. Mainly because they don't have to change anything except the base code. Graphics, sound, controlls, and gameplay can all be done +/- near equal.

I understand the Wii is what they are looking at because they can make more money there, but let's not make false accusations about the PS3 and 360. Controllers work fine for RTS game and MMO. Not as good, but still, they work well. Plus, like I said before, what's so bad about using a keyboard and mouse? Will Blizzard stop making PC games now since it is an outdated controll sceme that they don't want to use anymore?

 

Are you shitting me? Porting to the PS3 is far hader than it is for the 360, simply because SONY decided to make PS3's hardware a mess and a nightmare for any developer.

Also controllers do NOT work for RTS games and MMO games at all.

Wii is Blizzard's best bet simply because of the types of games they make. They are ncie and simple and very easy to get into. You never realize how they eat away 4 years of your life.

I didn't mean to sound like I was saying the PS3 is easier to port to than the 360. I just mean the PS3 fully supports a keyboard and mouse, so they don' t need to change the game at all. All they have to do is make it work on the PS3. They don't have to worry about mapping buttons to a controller. Yes I know it's easier to port to the 360 programming wise. The 360 would be the #1 pick for porting by far if they had keyboard and mouse support.

Pretty much my point is that by Blizzard saying the PS3 needs better controll support, they are also saying PCs need better controll support. Their argument doesn't make any since at all.

most PS3 games don't use a keyboard and mouse, and most people would have to shell out more money to buy new ones assuming they have no back up ones, DS3 is the main controller, or they'd have shipped their PS3 with a keyboard and mouse like computers, so PC not included.

 

Just like the Wii came with a balance board, wheel, and a zapper right? I need to call Nintendo. I was ripped off. I had to buy them separate.

 



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