@Tyrannical: I recall the "legal" age (for sex) was 13 a couple of years ago, when it generally is 16 in the west.
Then again, in the islamic world there could be as low age limits as 6 or 9 (due to Muhammed marrying a six years old and boning her when she was nine).
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@Tyrannical
To be fair, that Wikipedia paragraph puts together real pornography with stuff like manga and anime where no real children were involved.
The Bangkok Times article is about real prostitution, but it might as well be about bureaucratic things like holding hosting services responsible for the content, obscuration of sites etc. I really doubt that the gist of the issue was that prior to 2003 Japan considered producing child pornography a legal business. One should read that to be sure, because the Wikipedia article is frankly a jumbled mess.
Btw, why should the mere possession of such material be a crime? If you did not pay for it and don't expose minors to it you're not financing child exploitation nor traumatizing anyone. It's between you and your demons.
| bdbdbd said: @Tyrannical: I recall the "legal" age (for sex) was 13 a couple of years ago, when it generally is 16 in the west. Then again, in the islamic world there could be as low age limits as 6 or 9 (due to Muhammed marrying a six years old and boning her when she was nine). |
The traditional age of consent for woman is one year after their first period, which usualy makes it about 13 or 14.
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@Tyrannical: Yeah. And under 15 is generally considered child porn/pedophilia by western standards.
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@Wookaroo "The rape game was designed to entertain it's user soley for one purpose, and that's raping innocent people. There's no story to it, there's no reason, no logic, no morals, it's just plain detrimental." Would you find it more acceptable if there was a reason or a logic? That's the cheap varnish that violent content producers put over the rough texture underneath. They say "it's world war two, and this is a nazist you're torching with a flamethrower" and you're ok with that. They say "you're shooting this cop in the face, but he's a corrupt bastard" and you're ok with that. They say "this human-like being you're maiming with a chainsaw is really an evil alien" and you're ok with that. Face it: it's crass titillation of a dark instinct. Every reason and logic and moral doesn't change the fact that you're enjoying it because you feel cool and powerful and in control when the blood spurts everywhere. It's pornography. The fact that you say that you want a plot in your porn movies doesn't change its nature. |
I'm not ok with any of that. However, when you start lumping all of these games into the same category and labling them a type of violent blood porn comparable to a rape SIMULATOR that you call 'SILLY', it just kinda blows my mind. Especially with all of the examples you provided.
I'm not questioning the fact that killing people in games is terrible. However, as sad you may think it, all of the violent, mainstream games I've played have certain justifications for player actions. Usually it's something like saving the world from evil, downing a corrupt organization, bringing down criminals, etc.
In this rape simulator, that's it. You've got to play this game knowing that you're not doing any of the above. You're forcing yourself on innocent people for enjoyment only. You may think it's the same as shooting a corrupt cop or blowing away alien scum, but I think differently. The day a game is released where the entire focus is on tortuing an innocent person to death is the day I make a statement such as yours.
If this game is banned, it will get more attention, it will get more downloads on the internet, etc. As it is right now, this game is probably pretty hard to find if no major retailers sell it online or on site. Any sicko that really wants to play the game could probably find it and buy it.
If you're talking about child pornography laws...ban all of it! If it's out there and legal, that'd put a lot more children in danger. I'm thankful my country does not tolerate it.
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@Wookaroo: I hope you understand that you're now in for banning all the games someone finds offensive. I really wouldn't have thought that there are that many people backing Jack Thompson up.
Now, you made one oxymoron in your post. When you are justifying your violence in "shooting a corrupt cop" or "hunting down criminals" you actually become one of the hunted, when the justification is only in your head anymore, which isn't different from killing innocent people.
I know you think differently, which is pretty bad thing in the sense that you actually think something justifies killing people (outside self defense when your life is theatened). For me, it's pretty irrelevant what the violence in the videogame is and who will suffer - it's only a videogame where nobody is getting hurt. If i don't like the game, i down buy it.
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If it's a Rape game.. it should be rated AO and put the 'back room' were children shouldn't be able to enter.
Problem Solved.
Pixel Art can be fun.
If the game acknowledges that the girls are underage, then yeah, i don't understand how its legal. Pretty sure portraying a fictional underage girl still constitutes child porn. Hentai sites that clearly portray this sort of thing all come with the disclaimer that they're portraying 18-year-olds so the feds don't drop the hammer
So the question isn't whether the game should be banned, if people are reading laws right, this game already is banned.
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"If it's a Rape game.. it should be rated AO and put the 'back room' were children shouldn't be able to enter.
Problem Solved."
Good point.
| t'sMr Khan said: If the game acknowledges that the girls are underage, then yeah, i don't understand how its legal. Pretty sure portraying a fictional underage girl still constitutes child porn. Hentai sites that clearly portray this sort of thing all come with the disclaimer that they're portraying 18-year-olds so the feds don't drop the hammer
So the question isn't whether the game should be banned, if people are reading laws right, this game already is banned. |
I'm quite sure that's not the case in general. If that was true then De Sade's books could not be published, and they are.
Actually I think that Juliet and Romeo were underage too...
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