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TWRoO said:
Baggins said:
TWRoO said:
Clearly it isn't.

Price is not the sum of it's components... I have said this before. The price should be put at whatever point customers are willing to pay for. So the Wii is priced perfectly.

The DS is somewhere between N64 and Dreamcast graphically, should it be priced at $20?

The PSP is about as powerful as a PS2, should it have a price cut?

The PS2 is less powerful than the GameCube and Xbox were.... so why was it's price higher?

 

 Goes without saying, but I don't think that is what the OP was asking.

Price of the Wii has actually gone UP a couple of months ago in the UK...Of course they can sell it for what they like cos it's so popular etc. I'm quite sure everyone is aware of this! But we are being ripped off. ;)

Cost to produce it is so small, it's not like they are clawing back the costs of R&D like say IntelAMD where a chip might cost to a consumer around 50x the cost of production. Nintendo are just exploiting you all and you're all happy about it...Good for everyone I guess in a kinda retarded way. But I don't own a Wii, I don't think it's worth it :) I think a PS3 represents better value.

The PS3 has no value to anyone who doesn't want to play it's games.... value has nothing to do with how much it costs to produce.

The Wii was reported to be making $48 per unit in America, $70ish in Europe and was it $17 (I think?) at launch in Japan.
That was an estimate on parts alone, not taking into account things like shipping, packaging and marketing... and also I think ignoring European taxes.

The Wii was already using chipsets that were not exactly new and revolutionary (Nintendo basically wanted a much smaller, cooler running version of the GameCube with a small (X2) increase in relative power..... so the chips will not have been possible to reduce the cost on as much as the CELL could.... reducing the cost on a totally new thing like the CELL happens quite quickly and with quite a lot of money taken off, so while the CELL may have gone from being $150 per chip at launch to maybe $20 now, the Wii chips were already less than that to begin with so there is not much scope to save money. ESPECIALLY when the Wii chips are still using 90nm process, while the PS3 and X360 have moved on to I think 45nm by now... which is much cheaper to manufacture, as well as being cooler to run so less need for expensive cooling (don't the new PS3s only have 2 fans compared to 4 in early models?)

All that means the Wii could not have had significant cost reduction put in pace from the launch models.... in fact with the exchange rate so poor I believe they are making less per console now than they did at launch.... you can see this with the profits being made, because the are making about double the profits per quarter now than they did nearer launch, yet they are selling double the number of Wiis, and many times the units of software.... so even if the profit per unit had remained the same they should have been making over double the profits they were back then.... surely if the costs had  reduced so much like you seem to believe they should be making as much as the whole of Microsoft does by now.

Perhaps you just haven't done any maths?

at $50 pure profit per Wii, with 25 million Wiis sold in 1 year.... that comes to $1.25 billion.

The end of this Fiscal year looks like it will have pulled in about $3.5 billion..... Now take away DS profits, as well as Wii Software profits, all of which are almost certainly higher than Wii Hardware profit..... It sure doesn't make any sense for Wii hardware alone to be pulling in even $50 per system.

 

 

they don't make that much per unit, they wish they did though.



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Some people think it's overpriced, some don't.

The important part is that enough people still think it's not overpriced, as proved by its sales.



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RolStoppable said:
Lit09 said:
You guys do make pretty good opinions. It does sell like crazy but I guess it does this by finding a pretty broad audience like families and its in/around everyone's budget with a tough economy.

But comparing it with other consoles like the 360 at a cheaper value, I still think its expensive for a system that doesn't play DVD's/HD video/Quality online service. But if you get a rebuffed Hard Drive for $20 and an HD/AV cable cheap for the 360, then both the prices will be around the same price and the 360 would still offer a lot more.

I own both systems, so please no fanboy wars. i just want a valid opinion if the Wii is overpriced.

That's your personal opinion and I don't mean that in a negative way. I'd just like to remind you that many people think differently. They might see no value in the features you listed, thus they don't care that the Wii doesn't have them.

What most people see when purchasing a console are the games available for it. The Wii currently has the most desireable exclusive software and that's why people are willing to pay for it

 

Yeh, its my personnal opinion. Thx for understanding :). But I know that most people have different ways of purchasing/picking their consoles. i just wanted to point out different options and what I think is a better choice for them.



I love my Wii to death, but it is DEFINITELY overpriced.



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I would be very keen to know how much the Wii actually costs to make . I read an article a while ago which stated that although the Wii wasn't very powerful, the extremely low power consumption and efficiency of the parts meant that they weren't that cheap to produce. i.e. it wasn't as simple as pricing Gamecube parts today and multiplying by two. Certainly, that may just have been PR spin but nonetheless it makes me curious.

Yeah, the author really kinda answered his/her own question.



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Procrastinato said:
Onyxmeth said:

Actually what you said was "Its sales will continue to slow until they knock it down to $199.99" and that is what you got called out on because the Wii is not in a continuing phase of slowing sales. Sales are increasing. The only way for that quoted phrase to be true is if you specifically meant Japan, but you made no mention of Japan specifically so I'm guessing not.

 

I think of "slowing" as a derivative of growth of the industry.  Does that make my viewpoint clearer?  Last Year the Wii had momentum, in terms of marketshare, that looked as though it would eventually reach near %60.  Now it looks like it will never hit 50%, because its competition has increased at a larger pace, with regards to week-to-week marketshare.

@TWRoO: The "PS3 has no value if you don't want to play its games" comment above makes no sense... Did you mean the Wii, which doesn't function as a DVD player, CD player, etc, let alone a BD player?

 

Good point.... but to most people the games are the main reason, espcecially considering you can buy a smaller, cheaper blu-ray player now than the PS3.... or if you don't want blu-ray yet then DVD and CD players are dirt-cheap.

 



Hyperion said:
I love my Wii to death, but it is DEFINITELY overpriced.

 

 

How much did you pay for it? And if it's the regular price, why did you pay more than you think it was worth?



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noname2200 said:

Lit09 said:

But if you get a rebuffed Hard Drive for $20 and an HD/AV cable cheap for the 360, then both the prices will be around the same price and the 360 would still offer a lot more.

Here's the problem in your worldview. Perhaps you're just substituting your own preferences (that's fine), or you're only looking at this from a tech-sheet perspective (that seems to be the case), but "value" includes much more than just a list of features/price. For starters, recall that most of us buy game consoles to play games, and the Wii has tons of games that its competitors don't. This changes its value radically, especially for the "broad audience" that you spoke of (who demonstrably have little interest in the HD consoles' offering).

To put it in perspective (and use a HIGHLY incomplete car analogy), the finest sports car in the world ain't worth jack if you need a really reliable pickup truck. Put alternatively, most people see a console's primary value in its games, rather than its bells and whistles, and the Wii's games apparently appeal to them more.

 

 

Hmm...your right about that. I never really thought of placing games into the issue. But I guess having a "broader audience" would want a console with more options and games like Wii Sports or Party games that they can enjoy with their kids or family.



Lit09 said:
RolStoppable said:
Lit09 said:
You guys do make pretty good opinions. It does sell like crazy but I guess it does this by finding a pretty broad audience like families and its in/around everyone's budget with a tough economy.

But comparing it with other consoles like the 360 at a cheaper value, I still think its expensive for a system that doesn't play DVD's/HD video/Quality online service. But if you get a rebuffed Hard Drive for $20 and an HD/AV cable cheap for the 360, then both the prices will be around the same price and the 360 would still offer a lot more.

I own both systems, so please no fanboy wars. i just want a valid opinion if the Wii is overpriced.

That's your personal opinion and I don't mean that in a negative way. I'd just like to remind you that many people think differently. They might see no value in the features you listed, thus they don't care that the Wii doesn't have them.

What most people see when purchasing a console are the games available for it. The Wii currently has the most desireable exclusive software and that's why people are willing to pay for it

 

Yeh, its my personnal opinion. Thx for understanding :). But I know that most people have different ways of purchasing/picking their consoles. i just wanted to point out different options and what I think is a better choice for them.

Well, I'm a PC gamer too, as far as multimedia goes, HD consoles offer me obsolutely nothing, I buy consoles for games only, and once you get used to the Wiimote, the dual analog seems a little meh, I'll give you really stupid reasons as to why I say that too, if you are playing a game without motion sensing on the nun-chuck, you can keep playing comfortably with wiimote arm down while scratching your head with the nun-chuck hand without disrupting game play. also if I'm laying on my couch, I can spread my arms out in a very relaxing way while I play instead of having to hold my hands together. I really like that controller lol.



TWRoO said:
Clearly it isn't.

Price is not the sum of it's components... I have said this before. The price should be put at whatever point customers are willing to pay for. So the Wii is priced perfectly.

The DS is somewhere between N64 and Dreamcast graphically, should it be priced at $20?

The PSP is about as powerful as a PS2, should it have a price cut?

The PS2 is less powerful than the GameCube and Xbox were.... so why was it's price higher?

 

Nice one TWRoO

 

I have very little to say, as I stopped reading when the author tried to claim that the xbox is more powerful than the Wii