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starcraft on 23 March 2009
bobobologna said:

The OP has some MAJOR flaws.  He basically sums up anyone who supports the PS3 as being an extreme fanboy who constantly plays down the competition.  And I take offense to that as someone who supports the PS3 and who also thinks Gears of War is one of the top 10 games this generation.  And while I think that his post has some valid opinions, it should be directed at PS3 fanboys, not PS3 fans, and it should certainly not be portrayed as a "State of the Union for the PS3."  It's pretentious.

As I said, and someone before me said, this is like the State of the Union address being written by someone who is not the President and not an American.

What if I wrote a "State of the Union for the XBox360" thread where I remind you guys that Microsoft lost 6 billion on the original XBox and that they haven't made that up yet.  Or where I talk about how Ninja Gaiden 2, Lost Planet, Dead Rising and Bioshock are "lost exclusives."  Or how you guys get way too excited about a mediocre RTS on a console that isn't great, it just simply doesn't suck on consoles.  You can't tell me that XBox360 fans wouldn't be all over my post in a heartbeat.  Especially if I billed it as a State of the Union for the XBox360.

Make the thread.  If you make it reasonable and honest then you will be fine.  Zenfolder did not to me imply that anyone who likes the PS3 and supports it is an extreme fanboy.  I like the PS3 and support it and I did not feel I was being accused of being an extreme fanboy.  I would submit that you are being over-sensitive.

As for the last paragraph?  Both HD consoles have lost exclusives I agree.  Feel free to mention that in your thread.

Got to disagree on the RTS though, Civilisation: Revolution was better than mediocre.

 



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joeorc on 23 March 2009

@OP's Opinion :

while i respect your Opinion

  1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew).
  2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
  3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
  4. The prevailing view: public opinion.
  5. Law A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

 

 

your claim is far from strong:

example:

No sir. I'm not pissed at anyone. Like many other, I expected the PS3 to expand upon the PS2, and become the new standard for gaming. However, it had a very dissapointing first year. An opinion that many people refuse to acknowledge. I also feel that it didn't manage the 3rd party support I expected, and for that I blame the addition of expensive and unimportant Sony propreitary technology "Blu-Ray," along with several hamfisted and greedy business decisions that elevated profit above gamers. Sony isn't selling the console at a loss to help you out. They are doing it because people would never buy it otherwise. Sony isn't dropping 3rd party support in favor of 1st party games, in an attempt to improve the quality of their library. They are doing it because 1st party games are more profitable. The end result of these profit based decisions didn't figure in consumer response. It was just assumed that we would remain brand loyal no matter what. Many people did. Many did not. The gaming sector wasn't the only area in which Sony failed, businesswise in recent years, and the company isn't in the best of financial situations as a result. Once again, we should care abou the end result, rather than making excuses for why it ended up how it did. Forgive the text crit.

 

First off Blu-Ray is not just a Sony propreitary technology. there are many companies that also have more invested into blu-ray just as much as Sony. Sony invested into Blu-Ray in 1997 along with Panasonic,philips,Sanyo. As a format

(11) of the LARGEST Companies that produce optical drives all invested into Blu-Ray that makes Blu-Ray far from "PROPREITARY"

elevated PROFIT ABOVE GAMER'S:

One could argue chargeing 16 cents per GB to the "PUBLISHERS" PER GB so as the publisher's content that compete's against Sony's first an 2nd party studio's game's can keep the PSN free and not transfer the cost to the consumer of $50.00 a year is not looking out for the gamer?. You could say but there is less content to be on the network for the consumer to enjoy. Yes that is true but its also a trade off.of paying $50.00 a year

and AS FOR YOUR 3RD PARTY STATEMENT THIS IS A GOOD REASON WHY Sony is doing just that "investing in 1st party"

Microsoft's solution:

we pay 3rd party "PUBLISHER'S" notice why worry about the developer's when you can just pay 3rd party "PUBLISHER'S"

Microsoft: Third-parties shifting "from the PlayStation brand to Xbox 360"

Microsoft's outspoken director of product management, Aaron Greenberg, has stated that Japanese publishers are shifting loyalty from Sony products to Microsoft's Xbox 360.

At the Tokyo Game Show this week, Microsoft announced that Namco Bandai would be releasing Tekken 6 – a series previously associated with the PlayStation – to Xbox 360.

"I think there's been a tremendous shift," he told Major Nelson. "Never before in the eight years that I've been coming to TGS, this shift, frankly, from the PlayStation brand to Xbox 360 among third-party publishers.

"We're the platform they're looking to to help bring and grow their franchises around the world," he added.

Tekken is the latest series to move to Xbox and follows the announcement back at E3 that Final Fantasy XIII would get a simultaneous release on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

"We've come a long way... Square Enix's biggest RPG franchises, Namco Bandai bringing their top titles including Tekken 6. A lot of great arcade titles that the Japanese publishers continue to really recreate for this whole new generation, and we're finally at a price the world can afford," added Greenberg.

SONY's :

Sony: Publisher exclusivity probably "a thing of the past"

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves has told GamesIndustry.biz that he believes deals with publishers to make certain titles platform exclusives is probably "a thing of the past" - but that working directly with developers is something "that works".

He was speaking during an interview at last week's Games Convention on how a platform's software line-up was more of a hardware sales driver than price point - and whether or not that speaks to the company's investment in first party exclusives.

"It does, and I put it this way: we believe that investment in our own intellectual properties - as particularly Phil Harrison and I tried to do in the last five years with SingStar, or with The Getaway, or with Buzz! - these are ours, we can put them in our cupboard," he said. "It's like a patent. We can take them forward.

"We have to accept more and more that platform holders themselves cannot have exclusives unless they're given millions and millions of dollars not to develop a particular game for one particular platform.

"But for developers, and you could take someone like Quantic Dream for example - a great game, it takes a lot of time to develop, they need a little bit of funding, external development. In exchange, it's exclusive - that works. So exclusivity possibly with developers is more likely that exclusivity with publishers."

And Reeves hinted that some of the key announcements from Sony at Tokyo Games Show would be software-related.

"Shuhei [Yoshida, president of Sony Worldwide Studios] can tell you what else is coming out, maybe he's told you already, but there are certainly from Japan going to be some really, really good stuff - both on PlayStation Portable and PlayStation 3," he said. "You haven't seen it yet, we only see it in development, and they are external and internal developers."

But he did say that it wouldn't be beyond Sony to work with publishers on something should the situation warrant it.

"I think we have to accept that exclusivity is not a thing of the past, but it is probably with publishers. We might do a few things, where we feel that we need a push here or a push there."

The full GamesIndustry.bizinterview with David Reeves is available now.

 

IF you do not think that it is what it is Rockstar accepted incentive to make lost an the Damn xbox360 exclusive...$$$

Sony getting into a "PAY TO GET" CONTENT WITH PUBLISHER'S IS NOT SMART.

Instead working with Developer's directly .

that is the reason why 3rd party "PUBLISHER" exclusive's can happen If you pay them enough. not because there is such a massive lead over the other system's

the Wii has the most Install base but yet the 3rd party's still go multi-platform.

 


I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

blackstar on 23 March 2009
starcraft said:
blackstar said:
starcraft said:
Rainbird said:

Actually, it has some major flaws. The PS3 has not been a resounding success, and some people are also much more vocal about small successes than I personally consider within reason, but this is from a business perspective, yet much of his post is with the view of a gamer/consumer.

The lack of 3rd party exclusives and JRPGs and removal of PS2 BC is critisized heavily, yet the high price point is also critisized, and everyone here knows that Sony do not have the the kind of money needed to accomplish all these things. You could say that he complains that Sony is not willing to go bankrupt for the sake of their costumers, which is downright stupid, and especially on a forum dedicated to video game sales.

Furthermore, he forgets that he is dealing with people. If the situation improves for any product, the people rooting for said product will of course be vocal about it, and if you are rooting for the last place contender, than success feels ever sweeter. You don't need to know psychology to get this, just a minute or two of pondering will get you that far, hopefully.

We agree on this, but you fail to realise something.

That is all the OP is saying.  Zenfolder is simply pointing out that hardcore PS3 lovers are over-dramatising the console's successes.  Given the high proportion of PS3 fanboys on this website, if has resulted in a misappropriated impression of the console's standing.

like the 360 fans don't do that??

If you feel they do, make an identical thread in the Microsoft forum.  If you maintain Zenfolder's calm demenour and logic-deduced conclusions, you will be fine.

 

no I won't be making one like that.

it's pointless as I said before and again have u read khuutra post or not?

I don't wanna make this personal but how many times u were banned for bashing the ps3 or KZ2 , how many pointless thread was made by others about ps3 losing third party support?

in the 21 celebration thread how many were there stating that 21 million isn't an achievement? if it's not then 29 milion is?

the ps3 fanboys are bad but 360 are bad too.

 

 

 



bobobologna on 23 March 2009
starcraft said:
bobobologna said:

The OP has some MAJOR flaws.  He basically sums up anyone who supports the PS3 as being an extreme fanboy who constantly plays down the competition.  And I take offense to that as someone who supports the PS3 and who also thinks Gears of War is one of the top 10 games this generation.  And while I think that his post has some valid opinions, it should be directed at PS3 fanboys, not PS3 fans, and it should certainly not be portrayed as a "State of the Union for the PS3."  It's pretentious.

As I said, and someone before me said, this is like the State of the Union address being written by someone who is not the President and not an American.

What if I wrote a "State of the Union for the XBox360" thread where I remind you guys that Microsoft lost 6 billion on the original XBox and that they haven't made that up yet.  Or where I talk about how Ninja Gaiden 2, Lost Planet, Dead Rising and Bioshock are "lost exclusives."  Or how you guys get way too excited about a mediocre RTS on a console that isn't great, it just simply doesn't suck on consoles.  You can't tell me that XBox360 fans wouldn't be all over my post in a heartbeat.  Especially if I billed it as a State of the Union for the XBox360.

Make the thread.  If you make it reasonable and honest then you will be fine.  Zenfolder did not to me imply that anyone who likes the PS3 and supports it is an extreme fanboy.  I like the PS3 and support it and I did not feel I was being accused of being an extreme fanboy.  I would submit that you are being over-sensitive.

As for the last paragraph?  Both HD consoles have lost exclusives I agree.  Feel free to mention that in your thread.

Got to disagree on the RTS though, Civilisation: Revolution was better than mediocre.

 

 

Um, I'm not going to make the thread because as I said before, it would be like someone other than an American and someone other than the President writing the State of the Union address.

I'm not being over-sensitive.  And it's pretty clear that he lumps everyone together and assumes the worst.  If you told me you were Republican, that does not mean I should assume you are a religious nut.  Which is something I think he basically does here.

And the RTS I was talking about was Halo Wars.  Civilization: Revolution is turn-based.  But I think you knew that and were just trying to be cute.



starcraft on 23 March 2009
bobobologna said:
starcraft said:
bobobologna said:

The OP has some MAJOR flaws.  He basically sums up anyone who supports the PS3 as being an extreme fanboy who constantly plays down the competition.  And I take offense to that as someone who supports the PS3 and who also thinks Gears of War is one of the top 10 games this generation.  And while I think that his post has some valid opinions, it should be directed at PS3 fanboys, not PS3 fans, and it should certainly not be portrayed as a "State of the Union for the PS3."  It's pretentious.

As I said, and someone before me said, this is like the State of the Union address being written by someone who is not the President and not an American.

What if I wrote a "State of the Union for the XBox360" thread where I remind you guys that Microsoft lost 6 billion on the original XBox and that they haven't made that up yet.  Or where I talk about how Ninja Gaiden 2, Lost Planet, Dead Rising and Bioshock are "lost exclusives."  Or how you guys get way too excited about a mediocre RTS on a console that isn't great, it just simply doesn't suck on consoles.  You can't tell me that XBox360 fans wouldn't be all over my post in a heartbeat.  Especially if I billed it as a State of the Union for the XBox360.

Make the thread.  If you make it reasonable and honest then you will be fine.  Zenfolder did not to me imply that anyone who likes the PS3 and supports it is an extreme fanboy.  I like the PS3 and support it and I did not feel I was being accused of being an extreme fanboy.  I would submit that you are being over-sensitive.

As for the last paragraph?  Both HD consoles have lost exclusives I agree.  Feel free to mention that in your thread.

Got to disagree on the RTS though, Civilisation: Revolution was better than mediocre.

 

Um, I'm not going to make the thread because as I said before, it would be like someone other than an American and someone other than the President writing the State of the Union address.

I'm not being over-sensitive.  And it's pretty clear that he lumps everyone together and assumes the worst.  If you told me you were Republican, that does not mean I should assume you are a religious nut.  Which is something I think he basically does here.

And the RTS I was talking about was Halo Wars.  Civilization: Revolution is turn-based.  But I think you knew that and were just trying to be cute.

I guess we simply disagree.  I took the OP as having the best of intentions and simply trying to point out a cultural characteristic of VGC.  You took him as trolling.  We wont agree on this one way or another.

And yes I was trying to be cute.  Clearly I failed.  But I will say this, Halo Wars didn't receive much hype on this site from anyone other than Selnor.  And frankly, if we're going to consider 82 on Metacritic "mediocre," then heaven help the games industry.

 



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starcraft on 23 March 2009
blackstar said:
starcraft said:
blackstar said:
starcraft said:
Rainbird said:

Actually, it has some major flaws. The PS3 has not been a resounding success, and some people are also much more vocal about small successes than I personally consider within reason, but this is from a business perspective, yet much of his post is with the view of a gamer/consumer.

The lack of 3rd party exclusives and JRPGs and removal of PS2 BC is critisized heavily, yet the high price point is also critisized, and everyone here knows that Sony do not have the the kind of money needed to accomplish all these things. You could say that he complains that Sony is not willing to go bankrupt for the sake of their costumers, which is downright stupid, and especially on a forum dedicated to video game sales.

Furthermore, he forgets that he is dealing with people. If the situation improves for any product, the people rooting for said product will of course be vocal about it, and if you are rooting for the last place contender, than success feels ever sweeter. You don't need to know psychology to get this, just a minute or two of pondering will get you that far, hopefully.

We agree on this, but you fail to realise something.

That is all the OP is saying.  Zenfolder is simply pointing out that hardcore PS3 lovers are over-dramatising the console's successes.  Given the high proportion of PS3 fanboys on this website, if has resulted in a misappropriated impression of the console's standing.

like the 360 fans don't do that??

If you feel they do, make an identical thread in the Microsoft forum.  If you maintain Zenfolder's calm demenour and logic-deduced conclusions, you will be fine.

 

no I won't be making one like that.

it's pointless as I said before and again have u read khuutra post or not?

I don't wanna make this personal but how many times u were banned for bashing the ps3 or KZ2 , how many pointless thread was made by others about ps3 losing third party support?

in the 21 celebration thread how many were there stating that 21 million isn't an achievement? if it's not then 29 milion is?

the ps3 fanboys are bad but 360 are bad too.

The bolded is true, but how are Xbox 360 fans relevant to this thread?  I think the difference between 21 and 29 million is only as significant as the number of extra games it produces for the Xbox 360 in the future.

I have read Khuutra's post.  I agree with some of it, and disagree with other parts.  However when I attempted to quote it, VGC gave me a wall of unformatted text, so I gave up.  Ultimately, I never took issue with him though did I?

The reason Zenfolder's post is significant is because there is undeniably a greater fanboy presense on VGC from the PS3 camp than there is from the Xbox 360 camp.  Whether you believe this is due to a greater number of PS3 fanboys or those that exist being more ferocious is up to you.

 



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Khuutra on 23 March 2009

The unformatted text will format itself when you post. If it doesn't, just press edit and then save changes without saving anything.



starcraft on 23 March 2009
Khuutra said:
The unformatted text will format itself when you post. If it doesn't, just press edit and then save changes without saving anything.

The issue isn't with how it presents to you, it is with how it presents to me.  I am literally staring at a massive wall of text that is impossible to make sense of without an hour of concentration.  Which given I never took issue with your post, is a little too much.

 



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Khuutra on 23 March 2009

Fair enough, fair enough.

Glad you didn't take that much issue, I suppose.



blackstar on 23 March 2009
starcraft said:
blackstar said:
starcraft said:
blackstar said:
starcraft said:
Rainbird said:

Actually, it has some major flaws. The PS3 has not been a resounding success, and some people are also much more vocal about small successes than I personally consider within reason, but this is from a business perspective, yet much of his post is with the view of a gamer/consumer.

The lack of 3rd party exclusives and JRPGs and removal of PS2 BC is critisized heavily, yet the high price point is also critisized, and everyone here knows that Sony do not have the the kind of money needed to accomplish all these things. You could say that he complains that Sony is not willing to go bankrupt for the sake of their costumers, which is downright stupid, and especially on a forum dedicated to video game sales.

Furthermore, he forgets that he is dealing with people. If the situation improves for any product, the people rooting for said product will of course be vocal about it, and if you are rooting for the last place contender, than success feels ever sweeter. You don't need to know psychology to get this, just a minute or two of pondering will get you that far, hopefully.

We agree on this, but you fail to realise something.

That is all the OP is saying.  Zenfolder is simply pointing out that hardcore PS3 lovers are over-dramatising the console's successes.  Given the high proportion of PS3 fanboys on this website, if has resulted in a misappropriated impression of the console's standing.

like the 360 fans don't do that??

If you feel they do, make an identical thread in the Microsoft forum.  If you maintain Zenfolder's calm demenour and logic-deduced conclusions, you will be fine.

 

no I won't be making one like that.

it's pointless as I said before and again have u read khuutra post or not?

I don't wanna make this personal but how many times u were banned for bashing the ps3 or KZ2 , how many pointless thread was made by others about ps3 losing third party support?

in the 21 celebration thread how many were there stating that 21 million isn't an achievement? if it's not then 29 milion is?

the ps3 fanboys are bad but 360 are bad too.

The bolded is true, but how are Xbox 360 fans relevant to this thread?  I think the difference between 21 and 29 million is only as significant as the number of extra games it produces for the Xbox 360 in the future.

I have read Khuutra's post.  I agree with some of it, and disagree with other parts.  However when I attempted to quote it, VGC gave me a wall of unformatted text, so I gave up.  Ultimately, I never took issue with him though did I?

The reason Zenfolder's post is significant is because there is undeniably a greater fanboy presense on VGC from the PS3 camp than there is from the Xbox 360 camp.  Whether you believe this is due to a greater number of PS3 fanboys or those that exist being more ferocious is up to you.

 

 

I don't think it is but that's just me.