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Trestres

"Give me excuses for each one of those games and you will have a point. I suspect you won't even reply, because all you ever do is attack the Wii whenever a chance is there"
And see what you just did.

We are talking about Wii.
And almoast all of those has only 1 region of sales.



 

 

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trestres said:
BMaker11 said:
It doesn't matter if "it doesn't sell quality games" because the "Cheap dev cost/they made profit" excuse always comes in.

I think you should rephrase it to "it doesn't sell quality 3RD party games". We all know Super Mario is going to sell. We know Smash is going to sell. We know Zelda is going to sell. But what about, well most recently, Madworld? What about Zack and Wiki? What about Tales of Symphonia? What about House of the Dead: Overkill?

You can't then just toss out the "niche" card either. With the expanded audience of the Wii, that certain "niche" for a game has to be in there somewhere. Or is that niche the "hardcore" one, which, in fact, WOULD make those games sell better on the HD consoles?

 

Trolls always bring the same old games, no creativity here, no grasp of reality. Always looking at the games that didn't sell but never at the ones that did sell, and a lot.

Let us see here for a minute, PS3 for example is a failure as a hardcore console too and I've got examples:

Valkyria Chronicles, Lost Planet, Tom Clancy's Endwar, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon AW2, Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas, Warhawk, Virtua Fighter 5, Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, GRiD, BattleField: Bad Company, Unreal Tournament 3, Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution, Pure, Condemned 2, Eye of Judgement, Tiger Woods PGA 07/08, Skate 2, MLB 07, Bourne Conspiracy, Virtua Tennis 3, F1: CE, Bladestorm, Disgaea 3, The Orange Box, The Godfather, Medal of Honor Airborne, Folklore, Genji, The Darkness, Silent Hill Homecoming, Enchanted Arms, Armored Core 4, Splinter Cell: Double Agent, F.E.A.R. 1 / 2, Tom Clancy's Hawx, DiRT, Eternal Sonata, Afro Samurai, X-Edge, Tears To Tiara, Sega Rally Revo, etc.

I left out a lot of "lower quality games" since we were talking about good games here. Looks like the PS3 can't sell games right? Is hardcore a niche word when we talk about PS3? Would those games have sold better on the Wii, since the hardcore market is that niche for the PS3?

Give me excuses for each one of those games and you will have a point. I suspect you won't even reply, because all you ever do is attack the Wii whenever a chance is there.

But but teh PS3 is the most advanced hardware and it doesn´t need to sell games it has teh blueray and teh mighty cell.

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@Simulacrum: I dont know, I see a lot of games there that have 3 regions of data. You are lying trying to disprove my point.
All of them have data for at least 2 regions. Western games have it for Europe and the USA. Not having Japan for a Western game means nothing. BTW we can count ToS2 out of the "quality Wii games that dont sell" since it hasnt been released in Europe yet?


The fact is that those games, that are high quality games, didnt sell on the PS3. So if someone else comes here with the claims that Wii quality games dont sell, I will respond to them that PS3 quality games dont sell either.



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@KingKold
If the Wii's hardware was comparable to the PS3 one or the 360 one developers would just love to develop for the PC+PS3+360+Wii install base instead that for the PC+PS3+360, as you said that would be common sense.
But it is not like that, and for most games (save maybe for stuff like Guitar Hero) the Wii version requires a hauling effort comparable to developing an exclusive.
Nintendo knew this very well when they went the way of the cheap hardware. They basically said with their choice "We'll develop our first party exclusives. If you third party developers want to make Wii games, you will have to develop them as if they were exclusives too, even if the industry wants to move in the direction of bigger games, multiplatform development, reusable pieces of middleware software"
You have to admit that Nintendo did not cater for third party devs. They basically seemed to accept the idea of a console targeted mostly at their own software plus niche exclusives plus shovelware.

Precisely.

 



RolStoppable said:

The Gamecube fixed third party relations, but the lack of differentiation to the competiton remained. Despite getting more games than the Nintendo 64, the Gamecube sold worse. The one thing the GC had that the competition didn't have was Nintendo's games. People primarly bought the GC to play Nintendo games, because that was pretty much the only unique thing to it. As a result third party games didn't do too well (multiplatform games were bought for the PS2, the GC was usually seen as secondary console) and the quality of ports decreased over the years. Now what should Nintendo do?

Diversify themselves while maintaining third party support is the obvious choice.  If Nintendo wanted to win this generation in a PS2-esque fashion.  All they would have needed to do was release the Wii with comparable power to the PS3/360.   

The fact that they didn't, shows me that they were unsure of how the public reception would be for the Wii. 

 

If they had released another Gamecube (powerful hardware which can handle all multiplatform games), the fate of that console would have been the same as the Gamecube's one. People would have bought it primarly for Nintendo games and third parties would have released rubbish ports on it, because "only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems".

 

They could have released another variety of Wii with hardware to match and a desire to make a competitive relevant online network and they easily would have won this generation in terms of software sales, hardware sales and sheer amount of titles.  (Essentially 360/PS3 libraries plus the famous Nintendo games).

 

 

Instead Nintendo released the Wii. They knew it would going to be tough with third parties in the short term, but it could pay off really big in the long term. The Wii differentiates itself from the competition not only due to Nintendo games but more importantly, the motion controls. This is going to make most games unique to the platform and they won't be available anywhere else. Exclusives sell systems.

Nintendo was unsure of their new concept and it's public perception.  Otherwise, they would have released a powerful console WITH the motion controls. Exclusivity sells systems but having a significantly weaker system in terms of hardware specs while trying to revolutionize the market is the wrong way to go or the worse of two ways to go.

 

 

But of course, Nintendo acted mostly in their own interest. That was to become #1 again. It's wrong to act as if everything is bad for third parties though, because the games that are actually tailored to the Wii's strength do usually very well (not all of them, but the success rate for quality games is still higher than on either one of the HD consoles). Besides, third parties didn't seem to complain last generation when they made PS2 exclusives and didn't port their games over to other platforms.

 

Nintendo protected itself.  It knows it can release a console to it's core Nintendo fans. (People who will buy it, if only for Mario, Zelda, Metroid games).  It came at a low price with outdated hardware in order to make sure (Regardless of how it's public perception was),  they wouldn't be hurting too bad and might still snag a decent profit regardless.

Had Nintendo actually moved into the HD market with Sony and Microsoft.  They wouldn't be in this Catch 22.  Nintendo wasn't as confident in the Wii as they should have been.  So they are saddled with the fact that Third Parties will probably steer somewhat clear of primary Wii development over the HD consoles.

 



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Nintendo already went the route of being the most powerful console (N64) That didn't help. Nintendo already went the route of being similar in power to their competition (GC) that didn't help at all, in fact its their lowest selling home console ever (minus Vb). So you're saying Nintendo should have done the same thing again and expect a different result?

I see it the opposite way actually. Third parties are in the catch 22, due to them not forseeing the unprecedented success the Wii is having right now. They all wrote Nintendo off, and Nintendo has become the market leader, that has never happened before.

Nintendo is in the drivers seat. Look at the financial and business side of this industry. These huge investments made into HD development is causing companies to just bleed money, while Nintendo is rolling in the dough. Nintendo has thrown the donut in the water, and those that decide to grab it will survive, the others who decide to snub it will drown.



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@trestres

Good one about "Hardcore" games not selling on the PS3. I get tired of people using the same games as proof of them not selling on the Wii when they had no chance of selling on any other system.

If the other systems got the version of CODWAW we got it would have sold the same on their systems or worse (probably worse). And Zack and Wiki? Come on! No More Heroes meet Jet Set Radio, REZ and other weird games that nobody ever hears about.

<insert rant about how the last real hardcore games appeared on the SNES>



no soriku you need to prove the Wii can sell quality games not us proving it cant. being as your opinion is in the minority.


List some true games that have sold well on the Wii.


The problem i have with the Wii is if you look at the best selling games on the Wii most of them aint "true" games at all



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Serious_frusting said:
no soriku you need to prove the Wii can sell quality games not us proving it cant. being as your opinion is in the minority.


List some true games that have sold well on the Wii.


The problem i have with the Wii is if you look at the best selling games on the Wii most of them aint "true" games at all

 

Mario Kart

Brawl

Mario Galaxy

 

Those are three of the highest selling games on the Wii that continue to sell.  There are also others but all I needed was 3 examples to prove that you pulled your statement out of your butt. Research is used to back up a statement. Next time use it.



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trestres said:

@Simulacrum: I dont know, I see a lot of games there that have 3 regions of data. You are lying trying to disprove my point.
All of them have data for at least 2 regions. Western games have it for Europe and the USA. Not having Japan for a Western game means nothing. BTW we can count ToS2 out of the "quality Wii games that dont sell" since it hasnt been released in Europe yet?


The fact is that those games, that are high quality games, didnt sell on the PS3. So if someone else comes here with the claims that Wii quality games dont sell, I will respond to them that PS3 quality games dont sell either.

Hey trestes WII is the best system in whole world and all and PS3 is piece of shi so ofc Quality wont sell on Ps3 but why it won't sell on Wii as well?



 

 

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