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Forums - Gaming - Wanted dev praises PS3/360, Wii is a "****ing Genesis" --~-- Do YOU Agree?

@jayderyu

I happen to know physics and what paradigm shifts are, I even read Kuhn's works :)
But a paradigm shift is not a branching of models: after the shift there's only the new way to look at things. It may include the old way as a particular case, but the old way is no longer a generally acceptable thought model.
There's no paradigm shift with the Wii: things haven't changed for that certain group of gamers we call "core gamers", nor the way we look at their wishes and spending ability. The Wii happens to be sold at those core gamers, who want to play SSBB and SMG and Zelda, _and_ at a much bigger audience that was up to this point untapped.
This is a branching, because the needs and wishes and habits of these two groups are very different, the core gamers being much more represented among the owners of the so called "HD" consoles but fundamentally still wanting the same things as ever. With all the bickering about graphics vs gameplay, these gamers on Wii or PS3 or 360 are still infinitely more alike than the people buying the Wii as a Wii Fit appendage to get some exercise, and party games for the family as an afterthought.

And no, I can't see your similitude between Arcades and movie industry at all. Console games have nowadays much higher production values than Arcade games.
Arcades are more like d'essai or gimmicky 3-D/odorama theaters. You go there to either enjoy an old classic or to interact in some unique ways with the games (moving cabins, dancing mats etc)



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The more i read the post from this thread the more i keep banging my head on my keyboard(i in fact typing this comment with my forhead).

A lot of you "hardcore" players keep defending of this dork of a developer that most of his comments on this podcast are pure hilarious fun. At one point he stated that Chronicles of Riddick on the original Xbox if they ever ported on the GameCube would be so watered down that it would be a different game! After this i laughed so much that i though i was listening a HD fanboy from NeoGaf! This guy statements are in the best case senario ingorant. Not to mention the games that proves him wrong about the graphical capabilities of the GameCube that surpass by pure numbers any high end game on the Xbox like Resident Evil 4 and Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess plus F Zero GX.

I keep reading bashing the sales of No More Heroes, Okami, MadWorld(it is only out for one Week for crying out loud) and place them as facts that 3rd party games aren't selling on the Wii. My god i can not stand the recycling of faulse statements of phrazing situation 22.

They keep bashing nintendo because it's the best gaming developer on the World(pure fact).

Then i have some major FLOPS for the HD counterparts that their failure didn't affect the 3rd party support for this consoles. Like Lair, Haze, Too Human,Lost Odyssey,Blue Dragon,Eternal Sonata,Last Remanat, Infinite Undiscovery, Banjo Kazooie Nuts N Bolts and i could go on and on about HD flops first-second and 3rd party!

I didn't see the developers being afraid of keeping the HD support afloat after this BIG and COSTLY flops! But no the Wii is the "black sheep" of the 3rd parties. The truth is that the wii is the best solution for small developers of the low risk cost game developement but the contadiction of this guys rant is so stupid that he keeps refering that an investment of 200.000 or 500.000 dollars in a game for the wii will have the risk that it will never bring back that kind of revenues with the wii demographic. So EA the biggest 3rd party publisher on the west admitted that the HD investent was a BIG and COSTLY mistake that they paid half a billion last year and close 100 studios by his comments are profound idiots and his opinion is the golden rule of the industry.....

They can't admit that they can not compete face to face with the quality front of the nintendo games and they bash them for that. They can not understand that the success the Wii has is not by the brand name nintendo put a huge marketing campaing to push the console, but in fact is the popularity of their games that moves the hardware like Wii Sports,Wii Fit, Super Smash Bros. Brawl,Mario Kart Wii, The Legend of Zelda. The people need the way to play this fantastic games thats why they are keep buying the Wii.

Even if nintendo was a 3rd party on the Xbox360 or the PlayStation 3 this GAMES would be still on this charts TOP Selling games, because people like Nintendo Quality Videogames.

The valueble lesson for this "developers" and they full of profound stupidity "facts" comments would be to put their asses down and make a game that can compete with the quality nintendo brings with their every game, casual OR core.



Yeah... why don't they ask ... let's say...Activision about it?? Or is not Activion making a profit with the Wii??? I said he just has a lil' sand in his vagina that needs to be clean.



I'll only say one thing: I thought only fanboys on the internet had meltdowns! Wanat sure proved me wrong...



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@AkiraGr

Actually the guy, among any mad claim and wrong number he might have spat, said that Nintendo's games are just great.

But face it: not 100% of the sales of Nintendo's first party games comes from sheer quality and/or some quality titles are not selling on the Wii. You can't have the cake and eat it too.
Case in question: Okami vs Zelda:TP. Very similar game structures, comparable quality (actually I vastly prefer Okami), enormously different sales.



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Way too harsh....



4 ≈ One

I wanna give that guy a high five



Megadude said:
Look at successful Wii games and judge for yourself. So the Wii is about as powerful as the original X-Box- Is this news or somthing? He has a point though a developer can make a game with pretty high end graphics and know he can have it on PS360.

The Wii shares more titles with Gamecube and PS2 then PS360 there's a reason for that. And so long as Wii owners continue to not support quality titles like Madworld and No More Heros, you can expect the trend to continue.

 Which third partiy quality games have not been supported exactly? I'd like a list. Currently we have one game with like a week of data in one region for, and a game that was so successful it got a sequel. I am certain all the people that decided to make another No More Heroes game for the Wii just hate money.



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I love how the "third party argument" is still raised when it's been proven wrong already. Also what is this fixation on Nintendo's first party argument? Sony and MS WISH they had a first party as strong as Nintendo's. Sony realizes its importance now since third parties are no longer exclusive to them.

Nintendo's FP is not a weakness but rather an invaluable strenght. TP's have not released a AAA effort on the Wii yet, and somehow Wii still sells the most third party software...



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

i agree to the extend that Wii is $H!T or i should say, what it has to offer is $H!T but i wont say its a failure. Honestly graphics souldnt be everything, alot of gamers now a day seem to think it so. I.E. sees a screen shot for KZ2 and GeOW and say "OHHH MAY GOD best GAME EVER!!"

 

not to sure about KZ2 but GeOW is nothing special, fun yes but nothing special.

 

Wii did do something different, saying its about a different gaming experience not graphics, which is cool...

but its "revolution" isnt so great after all, it comes out with many none interesting mainstream games with lots of 3rd party support, but 95% of this support produce crappy games.

Its "revolution" is really killing gaming IMHO. Nintendo seems to be the only ones that can create decent to great games for the wii while the rest are mainstream crap. Saddly casuals and many on this site which i call Hardcore casuals seem to think Wii is hardcore, and feed into mainstream crap just like it was for music (saddly) and movies.