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Kasz216 on 23 March 2009
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
Baki said:
Tyrannical said:
Dear PS3 owners; You’ve made your bed, now lie in it. (HONEST article)

Well, I can see how you'd think it would be a smart investment to buy a PS3 to play jrpgs with. Given the long track record of the PS1&2 it only makes sense this would continue.

Just like with my 401k, I made wrong choices that seemed like a good idea at the time. Just as the value of my investments fell, so did the value of the PS3 as a jrpg platform. You made a bad investment, it's time to move on.

 

I noticed that your gamertag is UKresistance. Isn't that the name of that website which periodically releases article berating the PS3?

@Everyone Else:

I have noticed a lot of users commenting that the Wii is ignored. Admittedly it is, this is because

A) This article was more of a response to SE statement from a few days ago.

B) The Wii is a bit of an unknown quantity, from what I've seen the JRPG's enjoy similar sales to PS3 JRPG's although it has a much larger userbase. However for other types of games it enjoys far larger sales.

That said, I haven't exactly scoured the internet in search of Wii JRPG sales in Japan so I may be wrong.

C) This article is about what could've happened, had developers supported the PS3 from the get go. There is no denying that the userbase of the PS3 would've been far more more substantial in Japan and consequently sales of games would've been far greater. Now the question is, can JRPG's on the Wii have more sales than that on the PS3? To that I would say maybe, although I would lean to it being slightly greater because of the much larger userbase. Now the problem is, what demographic exists on the Wii. We do know the Wii has a large amount of new gamers, and this is the problem with the Wii. Developers don't know what to make for it? Do they make traditional games? Or attempt to copy games like Wii-Fit etc.. There is no denying that there is a large amount of untapped potential there.

However if the developers had supported the PS3 from the beginning, they would have a platform with a comparable (maybe not larger, possibly even 2M less than the Wii right now) userbase to the Wii. That would've been a great platform to release their JRPG's on because they know that demographic is the same as the one that existed on the PS2/1. They would know their users.

Thats the general gist of the article.

Well for a comparison... the best selling JRPG in Japan on the Wii is...

Dragon Quest Swords.  A half done port that got horrible reveiws.

The best selling RPG On the PS3 in japan is White Knight Chronicles.  A highly publicized, super hyped game that was expensive game with average reviews.


Dragon Quest Swords outsold it by nearly 200K in Japan.

I think that's pretty telling.

Had the Japanese supported the PS3 from the beggining the PS3 wouldn't of gotten much boost at all.  This is obvious due to the complete non boost the 360 really has seen.

The 360 alone had great JRPGS for so long yet nobody bought it... why?

Japan doesn't accept the 360 because it's American, PS3 is not selling like it should because PS3 focused a lot on Western-oriented games and abandoned J-oriented games for too long (of course MS had something to do with it but it's Sony's fault too), and let's remember that the Japanese flagship Playstation titles are not out yet (Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5), never in the history of Playstation those titles took so long in being released... And of course, the main element of all: THE PRICE...


So it's your opinion that Japan is filled with Xenophobes?

They won't buy a system with what you presume they want simply because the manufactuerer isn't Japanese

 

We already discussed the Xbox brand issue in Japan in a lot of topics, it's not that they're xenophobes, if they were the iPod touch, Nokia cellphones, Dell computers, Windows and another brands wouldn't survived there... The thing is, Microsoft is doing direct competition to Sony with the Xbox brand, i mean, the whole reason they entered in the console business is because they were afraid that the Playstation took the living room and became a threat to MS... So we have two brands, the Playstation brand and the Xbox brand, the American one is trying to take the Japanese one down, who do you think the Japanese will have more loyalty???...

The one that gives them the product they want.

That's the main rule of the consumer.

All those things you mentioned do direct compete with japanese companies.



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The Anarchyz on 24 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:

Japan doesn't accept the 360 because it's American, PS3 is not selling like it should because PS3 focused a lot on Western-oriented games and abandoned J-oriented games for too long (of course MS had something to do with it but it's Sony's fault too), and let's remember that the Japanese flagship Playstation titles are not out yet (Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5), never in the history of Playstation those titles took so long in being released... And of course, the main element of all: THE PRICE...


So it's your opinion that Japan is filled with Xenophobes?

They won't buy a system with what you presume they want simply because the manufactuerer isn't Japanese

 

We already discussed the Xbox brand issue in Japan in a lot of topics, it's not that they're xenophobes, if they were the iPod touch, Nokia cellphones, Dell computers, Windows and another brands wouldn't survived there... The thing is, Microsoft is doing direct competition to Sony with the Xbox brand, i mean, the whole reason they entered in the console business is because they were afraid that the Playstation took the living room and became a threat to MS... So we have two brands, the Playstation brand and the Xbox brand, the American one is trying to take the Japanese one down, who do you think the Japanese will have more loyalty???...

The one that gives them the product they want.

That's the main rule of the consumer.

All those things you mentioned do direct compete with japanese companies.

Like i said, we discussed the Japan issue with consoles in a lot of threads, and we came to the same conclusion about the Xbox brand being American...

And about the other brands, i said "survived", not "beat down the competition" because i don't have the sales of them vs the competition (and i might add, Windows doesn't have J-competitors and the other brands are not having a war like the Xbox is having with the Playstation)...

But if you like to give a better explanation of why the Xbox brand is not that popular in Japan despite having a JRPG with part of the Chrono Trigger Dream Team, a JRPG with part of the Final Fantasy original team, a Tales JRPG and two Tri-Ace JRPGs (one of them a popular established franchise), be my guest...



mike_intellivision on 24 March 2009

If the target gamers have stayed with the PS2 or upgraded to the Wii, it would seem to me the smart play would be to develop for those consoles -- at least in the short run.

The article-described stunted growth of the PS3 in Japan, with its much lower than Xbox 360 numbers in the rest of the world, means that moving from one HD console to the other would not be a panacea.

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Slimebeast on 24 March 2009
NiKKoM said:
How do you keep getting finding these random blogs?? And why do you keep saying articles?? A blog is not an Article...

 

 lol true.



Kasz216 on 24 March 2009
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:

Japan doesn't accept the 360 because it's American, PS3 is not selling like it should because PS3 focused a lot on Western-oriented games and abandoned J-oriented games for too long (of course MS had something to do with it but it's Sony's fault too), and let's remember that the Japanese flagship Playstation titles are not out yet (Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5), never in the history of Playstation those titles took so long in being released... And of course, the main element of all: THE PRICE...


So it's your opinion that Japan is filled with Xenophobes?

They won't buy a system with what you presume they want simply because the manufactuerer isn't Japanese

 

We already discussed the Xbox brand issue in Japan in a lot of topics, it's not that they're xenophobes, if they were the iPod touch, Nokia cellphones, Dell computers, Windows and another brands wouldn't survived there... The thing is, Microsoft is doing direct competition to Sony with the Xbox brand, i mean, the whole reason they entered in the console business is because they were afraid that the Playstation took the living room and became a threat to MS... So we have two brands, the Playstation brand and the Xbox brand, the American one is trying to take the Japanese one down, who do you think the Japanese will have more loyalty???...

The one that gives them the product they want.

That's the main rule of the consumer.

All those things you mentioned do direct compete with japanese companies.

Like i said, we discussed the Japan issue with consoles in a lot of threads, and we came to the same conclusion about the Xbox brand being American...

And about the other brands, i said "survived", not "beat down the competition" because i don't have the sales of them vs the competition (and i might add, Windows doesn't have J-competitors and the other brands are not having a war like the Xbox is having with the Playstation)...

But if you like to give a better explanation of why the Xbox brand is not that popular in Japan despite having a JRPG with part of the Chrono Trigger Dream Team, a JRPG with part of the Final Fantasy original team, a Tales JRPG and two Tri-Ace JRPGs (one of them a popular established franchise), be my guest...

Sure.  Jrpgs largely don't matter.

JRPGS are mostly niche... even in Japan.

No RPG not named DQ, Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts have sold anywhere near dominate numbers even in the PS2 era.

The best selling non DQ, FF or KH RPG on the PS2 being Tales of the abyss at 570,000.

Check it

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&console=PS2&region=Japan&developer=&publisher=&genre=RPG&keyword=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

 

The numbers really aren't there to suggest that a "Huge shift" would occur.  Maybe a half million extra people at most could be added to the PS3's ranks and that's with the rosiest possible outcome... and also just about the least likely.


The best selling JRPG on the PS2 in America not of those brands?  Well that ones interesting.  Star Ocean 3.  at 740,000.   After that it's worse then Japan however it's hard to argue that it isn't in their best interest to expand into the west.  Espiecally if they're getting paid to do it as many Sony fanboys like to surmise.

 

Why isn't the 360 popular?  Because the games that do sell amazingly in Japan are still on the PS3.  Many are exclusives.

Gran Turismo, Everybody Loves Golf, Yakuza and Metal Gear Solid.

Combined with games like Winning 11.  These are the franchises that matter... along with Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts.


The rest are largely nonfactors.

Why then the huge drop in PS3 sales then?  You say.  Simple.  Even those games aren't as big a factor as you think. The main factor is the system it's self and it's perceived value.  Nintendo offering new expierences brought both new gamers and old gamers who have been playing a lot of the same games over again together with new expiences.



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Strategyking92 on 24 March 2009

While I agree with the guy, this just sounds like a fanboy rant.
I'm sure the JRPG developers will survive in the end. I'm a little concerned about namco-bandai though.



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Loud_Hot_White_Box on 25 March 2009
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:

Japan doesn't accept the 360 because it's American, PS3 is not selling like it should because PS3 focused a lot on Western-oriented games and abandoned J-oriented games for too long (of course MS had something to do with it but it's Sony's fault too), and let's remember that the Japanese flagship Playstation titles are not out yet (Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5), never in the history of Playstation those titles took so long in being released... And of course, the main element of all: THE PRICE...


So it's your opinion that Japan is filled with Xenophobes?

They won't buy a system with what you presume they want simply because the manufactuerer isn't Japanese

 

We already discussed the Xbox brand issue in Japan in a lot of topics, it's not that they're xenophobes, if they were the iPod touch, Nokia cellphones, Dell computers, Windows and another brands wouldn't survived there... The thing is, Microsoft is doing direct competition to Sony with the Xbox brand, i mean, the whole reason they entered in the console business is because they were afraid that the Playstation took the living room and became a threat to MS... So we have two brands, the Playstation brand and the Xbox brand, the American one is trying to take the Japanese one down, who do you think the Japanese will have more loyalty???...

The one that gives them the product they want.

That's the main rule of the consumer.

All those things you mentioned do direct compete with japanese companies.

Like i said, we discussed the Japan issue with consoles in a lot of threads, and we came to the same conclusion about the Xbox brand being American...

And about the other brands, i said "survived", not "beat down the competition" because i don't have the sales of them vs the competition (and i might add, Windows doesn't have J-competitors and the other brands are not having a war like the Xbox is having with the Playstation)...

But if you like to give a better explanation of why the Xbox brand is not that popular in Japan despite having a JRPG with part of the Chrono Trigger Dream Team, a JRPG with part of the Final Fantasy original team, a Tales JRPG and two Tri-Ace JRPGs (one of them a popular established franchise), be my guest...

In Japan, and to a lesser extent in Europe, people prefer to think the goods they buy are of high quality.  And low price is not as much of a selling point as it is in America: it tends to connote shoddy quality.

 

 



Kasz216 on 25 March 2009
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:

Japan doesn't accept the 360 because it's American, PS3 is not selling like it should because PS3 focused a lot on Western-oriented games and abandoned J-oriented games for too long (of course MS had something to do with it but it's Sony's fault too), and let's remember that the Japanese flagship Playstation titles are not out yet (Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5), never in the history of Playstation those titles took so long in being released... And of course, the main element of all: THE PRICE...


So it's your opinion that Japan is filled with Xenophobes?

They won't buy a system with what you presume they want simply because the manufactuerer isn't Japanese

 

We already discussed the Xbox brand issue in Japan in a lot of topics, it's not that they're xenophobes, if they were the iPod touch, Nokia cellphones, Dell computers, Windows and another brands wouldn't survived there... The thing is, Microsoft is doing direct competition to Sony with the Xbox brand, i mean, the whole reason they entered in the console business is because they were afraid that the Playstation took the living room and became a threat to MS... So we have two brands, the Playstation brand and the Xbox brand, the American one is trying to take the Japanese one down, who do you think the Japanese will have more loyalty???...

The one that gives them the product they want.

That's the main rule of the consumer.

All those things you mentioned do direct compete with japanese companies.

Like i said, we discussed the Japan issue with consoles in a lot of threads, and we came to the same conclusion about the Xbox brand being American...

And about the other brands, i said "survived", not "beat down the competition" because i don't have the sales of them vs the competition (and i might add, Windows doesn't have J-competitors and the other brands are not having a war like the Xbox is having with the Playstation)...

But if you like to give a better explanation of why the Xbox brand is not that popular in Japan despite having a JRPG with part of the Chrono Trigger Dream Team, a JRPG with part of the Final Fantasy original team, a Tales JRPG and two Tri-Ace JRPGs (one of them a popular established franchise), be my guest...

In Japan, and to a lesser extent in Europe, people prefer to think the goods they buy are of high quality.  And low price is not as much of a selling point as it is in America: it tends to connote shoddy quality.

 

 

i believe the effects of the 360 price drop would disagree with you there.

The reason it's doing bad in japan is because JRPGs outside a few namebrands don't matter.

The reason why Playstation is doing better in Europe is becuase osny was the first company to make a real effort in europe.

Sega and espiecially Nintendo's distribution and setups in europe were laughable.



Loud_Hot_White_Box on 25 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
The Anarchyz said:

Like i said, we discussed the Japan issue with consoles in a lot of threads, and we came to the same conclusion about the Xbox brand being American...

And about the other brands, i said "survived", not "beat down the competition" because i don't have the sales of them vs the competition (and i might add, Windows doesn't have J-competitors and the other brands are not having a war like the Xbox is having with the Playstation)...

But if you like to give a better explanation of why the Xbox brand is not that popular in Japan despite having a JRPG with part of the Chrono Trigger Dream Team, a JRPG with part of the Final Fantasy original team, a Tales JRPG and two Tri-Ace JRPGs (one of them a popular established franchise), be my guest...

In Japan, and to a lesser extent in Europe, people prefer to think the goods they buy are of high quality.  And low price is not as much of a selling point as it is in America: it tends to connote shoddy quality.

 

 

i believe the effects of the 360 price drop would disagree with you there.

The reason it's doing bad in japan is because JRPGs outside a few namebrands don't matter.

The reason why Playstation is doing better in Europe is becuase osny was the first company to make a real effort in europe.

Sega and espiecially Nintendo's distribution and setups in europe were laughable.

 

What I said is consistent with price drop effects: yeah, lower prices have an effect, but in the areas that aren't so discount-oriented, but instead quality-oriented, PS3 does better in general vs. 360.  PS3 will see a boost in EU and Japan from a price drop, too.

As for Japan: does the PS3 have exclusives on those JRPG namebrands you mentioned?  Because it's beating the hell out of 360.

As for Europe: then it was a horrible blunder for Microsoft not to make an effort there when they wanted to be successful in the console business...oh wait, as I type that, it does't sound reasonable at all.  Nope, the more consistent explanation of sales, given how much cheaper 360 is, is that there's a perception that the 360 is a second-rate console.



Bitmap Frogs on 25 March 2009
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:

In Japan, and to a lesser extent in Europe, people prefer to think the goods they buy are of high quality.  And low price is not as much of a selling point as it is in America: it tends to connote shoddy quality.

 

Yeah, that's why el cheapo nokia phones massively outsell the n-series. 

That's why LCDs outsell plasmas.

Etc...

Look at you, trying to score cheap shots distorting the facts. 





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