I'm guessing that quite a few tournament players will throw a hissy fit if the game has absolutely zero guaranteed combos. :p

Besides, if ie. Dededes and Falcos chaingrabs are still in, they aren't exactly close to that goal, anyway.

Lucky for you/us, they're not in anymore. They're balancing every character one by one. I've heard they're now balancing Lucas. Can't wait to see the final result!

Is there a master list of Brawl+ changes somewhere?

If you're going to promote this to other people, it would be nice to have.

This is not 4chan, do not go around calling people newfag.

Hmmm, I don't quite understand why I get a moderation warning for calling myself a [insert supposedly bad word here that actually means you are new to something... I think?], but whatever.

Anyways, putting this little issue aside, there are a few threads at SmashBoards about it, Mise. Here are the current ones:

Brawl+ Character Balance: Character 4: King DeDeDe
Brawl+ Character Balance: Character 3: LUCAS

Apparently, the other threads are named differently or something. Not sure where they are. Here's the link to the general Character Balance discussion thread though: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=215168

Also, you can check out their IRC channel. They talk about just anything there (literally)! =P

Okay, after little rummaging around on smashboards.com, I've noticed that apparently Stale-Move Negation has been removed. And I honestly can't see why, since it rewards players for using the right moves at the right time, and punishes people who just spam a single good move.

Is there any reason to this?

Well that way, if you use a character that can kill with 2 or 3 methods and just grind their % like Sonic, its pretty usefull to know that your move wont suck because of stale moves. And they removed only the fact that moves does less KB over time, % gain decreases over time for a move.

I disagree.

If a character only has a handful of reliable kill moves, it creates a challenge of sorts: With move decay, a player needs some tactical skill and presence of mind to use suitable attacks when they're really needed and rely on others when not. It may force a player to use moves they don't really want to (which isn't exactly a bad thing), and may also favor some characters over others, but thems the keeps - and since Sonic is currently top-tier material in Brawl+, if I'm not mistaken, so it doesn't exactly hurt him. Besides, no move loses all its effectiveness after a few uses - you have to spam it pretty consistently in order for it to become "useless".

Also, that nerf is essentially redundant - damage may be what hurts the characters, but knockback is what kills them.

I was talking about vBrawl for the Sonic thing. For Brawl+, it is much easier balancing the game without stale moves since we are working on constants instead of variable data.

If you want to know more about what was changed in therms of move balance, heres a list to a changelist:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n1zyzydgmon

Thanks. SHMUPGurus may want to put the link to the OP as well, so potential players won't have to read dozens of threads in order to get an overview of current changes.

And it is easier to balance a game with lesser variables, but scrapping move decay removes a layer of depth from it, and is actually a step back from Brawl IMO.