America has done very well at making excuses for a long time. Wouldn't it be in your interests, being that your country was the largest co2 contributor before China, to deny whats happening?
Why wouldn't you expect the same misinformation that sold you Iraq to be the same kind of lobbyist speak that climate change is producing.

Study Finds Unprecedented Growth in Climate Change Lobbying

A new report from the Center for Public Integrity reveals that the number of global warming lobbyists has increased by more than 300 percent in the past five years. In the past year, some 770 companies hired over 2,000 climate change lobbyists and spent an estimated $90 million to influence federal policy on climate change. We speak to the report’s lead author, Marianne Lavelle.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/26/study_finds_unprecedented_growth_in_climate

Ahh, so now it's a conspiracy.

Why is that a conspiracy, isn't it the Republicans who complain about lobbyist involvement in Washington.

Maybe you should read the article first and then give a valid argument in return. Kinda what wfz accused me of not doing.

Wow. No wonder you beleive in global warming.

You think you need clouds to have water vapor, that water vapor comes from trees, and that if the Sun got hotter there would be less water vapor.

This is exactly my opinion.  The sun is the source of goddamn near all of our energy, and we know its radiation fluctuates, and yet we still think humans can cause significant climate change!  A single volcanic eruption is several thousand times more powerful than hydrogen bombs!  Nature is fairly set in its ways, and what we do hardly changes it at all.

The Earth has natural heating and cooling cycles:

However, natural CO₂ cycles have been interupted:

Yes, the Sun has an effect on climate change:

But the Sun does not have as big of an effect as other factors:

Historical CO2 level data is questionable. A lot of it is based on air pockets found in ancient glacial ice cores. The problem with that is gas can difuse through ice, especialy over long periods of time.

*sigh* have you ever noticed that people who deny global warming don't make structured arguments? It's like, 'well here's the proof it is happening' to which they reply 'I disregard your evidence, I don't want to read such horrible things'... It's like having an argument with a brick wall. Or better yet a young earth creationist.

The past two years in Britain we have not had a summer, it has been record rainfalls two years in a row, and before that we had three record breaking heat waves three years in a row. That doesn't just happen by chance that you have two years in a row like that. The reason it happened was that the 'en nino', the phenomena that gives Britain it's heat and cold spells had shifted each year due to extreme change in temperatures. this was a direct effect of climate change. And this wont stop, this year, will bring rain and floods again, and next year, and the year after that.

"Europe

Rains have swept Europe in the past week, bringing misery to summer holiday-makers.

* On Russia's Black Sea coast, up to 58 people have been killed and 1,500 evacuated in torrential rains and flooding
* Seven people are reported killed in Romania, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic as floods sweep across central and eastern Europe. Austria is suffering its worst floods in over a century.
* In the UK, firefighters have evacuated flooded homes along the north-east cost of England
* On the Italian holiday island of Capri, houses and a shopping centre have been engulfed in mud following torrential rains
* The Spanish region of Catalonia and the Balearic Islands have also been experiencing downpours."

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/2186275.stm

Here's what happened to us...

'OVERVIEW OF THE FORECASTS FOR THE SUMMERS 2008 AND 2007 IN BRITAIN

THE SUMMER 2008

In our 2008 forecast for Britain, which we issued to clients in December 2006 and updated monthly with more detail, we forecast an extremely wet and rainy summer 2008 and specified several major rainstorms that would cause serious flooding.
Open our UK forecast update for June here, for July here and for August here.

The forecastS are the full detail version issued 30 days ahead. They vary little from the general weather descriptions issued the previous winter.

THE SUMMER 2007

In our 2007 forecast for Britain, which we issued to clients in December 2006 and updated monthly with more detail, we forecast an extremely wet and rainy summer 2007 and specified several major rainstorms that would cause serious flooding.
Open our UK forecast update for June here, for July here and for August here.

In spring 2007, the British MetOffice issued a forecast for a warm summer with periods of very hot weather which has implications for people's health. Open it here

As it turned out, the summer in Britain rained away, and the floods made news in many countries. The eleven major rain and flood events all occurred on the day we had forecast, but the one on August 5th-9th took a more northerly track than we forecast, and did not cause floods in all but the northernmost part of Britain as we had forecast, but only in Scotland.

Update 6.1.2008: The British MetOffice congratulate themselves on their short forecasts for the rains and floods. Open their statement here'

Source: http://www.lowefo.com/forecast.php?s=Britain


Have you noticed that in this thread it has been Americans denying it and Europeans supporting it? that's because Americans traditionally have refused to accept it and are stubborn. Where as we have seen the extreme weather all ready and we will laugh at you when you beg to come to Europe where we have accepted and prepared and you are all too warn and suffering from droughts because the water around you that has claimed your land is poisonous.

Nobody is denying global warming. It's presenting actual facts that it's not man made.

Seriously... i've yet to see a refutation that 95% of global warming is Water Vapor caused.

Seriously... argue this Highwayman. What's your rebuttle?

It's not like Earth has always been the same tempeture and climate up until Earth came on the scene.

^ I see you read my epic post in two minutes and failed to post a real response. Well here's mine. Why is this happening now? a few decades after the most polluting generations? why didn't the romans or greeks have freak weather 5 years in a row? why have we not found evidence of extreme weather that dates back under 5000 years?

This all seems a little to co-coincidental to be chance, It is man made. Every person that has looked at the evidence knows that the increase of carbon dioxide, methane and whatever else we emit has coincided with the disappearing O-zone layer.

We have proved that these emissions destroy the O3 molecule that forms the O-zone layer.

We have proved that we are creating these increases.

We have proved it beyond doubt that the O-zone layer reflects various electromagnetic wavelengths.

WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT????

It is horrible but that doesn't mean you have to deny it and it will go away because you don't like the idea.