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Dragonos on 10 March 2009
SickleSigh said:

Example for me would be Diablo 2. It's 9 years old and the game is still very active and is a point and click game for the most part. If they brought D3 to consoles some people including me couldn't help but think the series would severely suffer in quality from it.

my guess is to wait and see how the 360 version of sacred 2 stacks up against the PC version, as the original sacred was very much a D2 clone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_(video_game)

I mean, other then the loot system i dont see why a D2-eske game couldn't be done on the 360, with exception of specific targeting skills (i.e. fist of heavens). i would say the difference is building up such a game on a console instead of adapting a PC game to the 360 - since starcraft 64 wasnt much but halo wars is an impressive RTS, even if a bit simple. and then again there's stormrise later this month - an RTS for the 360 and PS3 that focuses more on small scale battles. Looks interesting...

as for the hostility - meh. let them have their elitism, i prefer my 360 controller for most games aside from RTSs. the only thing that bugs me is the lack of cross platform gaming between the PC and the 360, ala games for windows - live, since if i recall there are roughly 7 360 games or so that have that feature. I just think it should a feature more implemented, provided that it can be done without too many problems.



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thanny on 10 March 2009

im only hostile to the ones who actually think console is the pinnacle of fps.
but at the same time i feel sorry for them



 

 

 

 

 

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vic_viper on 10 March 2009

In a world where games are played on a keyboard and mouse like some obscene form of torture, they lurk. Pc elitists, like cornered rats defending their cause, are a vocal minority, dismissing anyone else whose opinions or perspectives on gaming may deviate from their own myopic and narrow vision of what gaming should be. Fed by a steady stream of derivative rts and fps games, usually identified by a cadre of bald space marines fighting aliens in a bleak dystopian future with shades of blacks and browns, lots and lots of browns. To the pc elitist games like rts and fps cannot ever be duplicated on consoles because of the inherent flaw in said machines control schemes, (though this has been proven wrong with games such as Herzog Zwei and Pikmin representing the rts genre and the Wii remote showing promise for fps control).



shio on 10 March 2009
famousringo said:
I think PC gamers are pissed because console gamers have been stealing away developers from the PC platform for decades. I know I was annoyed years ago when it seemed that IPs like Deus Ex and Halo were being diverted to consoles and suffering for it.

Nowadays I barely game on PC at all. The platform has practical limitations even if it doesn't have technical ones, and consoles are better positioned to push past limitations in areas like human interface and local multiplayer.

Developers aren't being stolen - they just choose to release games multiplatform because the development costs of big-budget games have risen so much. 10 years ago there were more console games developed than PC games... but now PC has more games coming out than all consoles and handhelds combined.

Mendicate Bias said:
lol get prepared for a shit storm from the pc fanboys *cough*shio*cough* ;)

On topic, I honestly think its because they feel betrayed by the industry in a sense. Just a few years ago they were king of the gaming world with every high profile 'hardcore' game always debuting on the pc first. Fast forward a few years later and it seems like the focus of a lot of the bigger developers has shifted towards the consoles. I personally know of a pro UT gamer that can't stand UT3 because he says it was made with consoles in mind first and pc's second. Not sure what he means by that since I never played the game but I'm guessing they watered down the gameplay to allow for a more casual friendly aproach.

It also shows why pc gamers usually have such a high hatred of Halo. It started the entire shift that made consoles the home of shooters. And yes consoles have now surpassed pc's in the shooter realm. Halo 3, Gears of War 2, Resistance 2, Killzone 2 and The Conduit are all a testament to that fact.

Tell your friend to try UT3 Black. The new Titan Patch apparently made it a comeback, and UT3 looks and plays better than ever on PC.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
ssj12 said:

Budget gaming PCs can last over 4 years unlike the original xbox and cost you about $599 unlike the ps3 which you still had to buy HD cables and a second controller. (I know burn for both MS and Sony at the same time, heh)

Are you serious? $599? I have a friend of whom money is no object to him and to build the desired gaming PC it was around $800 for him from buying parts a Tiger Direct. You'll never find a gaming laptop for under $900 as well. Alienware, Dell XPS and more. As you can tell I stopped using a PC and switched to a laptop since I don't game on PC any longer (LOL).

You're out of touch. For around $900 you can definitely get a gaming laptop. It won't have top graphics, but it will be able to play games longer than any console.

Also, I remember in April of last year some guy built a PC for only $500 that could run Crysis on High Settings, better than any console can. So Imagine how much it is to build that now 10 months later.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

As I was saying before, I believe Microsoft will bring PC gaming and console gaming together eventually. I believe it will have something to do with Xbox live as well. I dunno why...I just do. PSN will not be able to follow it either. What do you guys think about that aspect of the topic?

If there ever will some sort of merge between PC gaming and Consoles, it will be PC absorbing the consoles, because PC gaming should, right now, be growing faster than Console gaming, and had over 260 millions online PC gamers in end of 2007.

That "merge" is actually happening already, with PC becoming more user-friendly and accessible (without losing features), and consoles are more complex and getting more features (but getting more problems and less accessability). Even some people now consider PC as user-friendly and consoles, due to digital distribution such as Steam and Impulse, which allows you to buy and play any game without having to put discs on the drive, nor needing to go to a game store just to buy the game.

Microsoft has developed Games For Windows - Live, XBL's sister on PC, and so far has failed miserably, which can't seem to even grab extensive support from the major publishers, let alone the smaller ones and indies.



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Onyxmeth on 10 March 2009

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...and here enters the hostility. Do note the signature that subtly hints at PC gamers being of the aryan "master race" while console gamers are "lowly peasants" i.e. jews, gypsies, etc.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 10 March 2009
SeriousWB said:

The "I like to use my xx inch TV to play games" argument is odd, as you can hook your towers up to your tv.

The hostility definitely goes both ways. Your opening post is in a tone which implies console supporters are gems of impartiality, and free of bias.  This is certainly not true, especially when you see someone say gaming rigs cost incredible amounts of money and must be upgraded constantly.

 

I know that you can hook your PC up to your TV. I like being in my room with my theatre setup though. The PC way is no longer comfortable for me. The hostility doesn't go both ways. Gamers end up being victims in arguments all the time. I've never seen a gamer jump on a PC gamer for no reason. I'm not discounting the fact of its existence, but i'm just saying that i've never seen it. If seen harsh defense on the part of gamers, but not verbally pouncing by any stretch of the imagination.



S.T.A.G.E. on 10 March 2009
SeriousWB said:
Squilliam said:
SeriousWB said:

The "I like to use my xx inch TV to play games" argument is odd, as you can hook your towers up to your tv.

The hostility definitely goes both ways. Your opening post is in a tone which implies console supporters are gems of impartiality, and free of bias.  This is certainly not true, especially when you see someone say gaming rigs cost incredible amounts of money and must be upgraded constantly.

Don't you know that if you sit too close to your TV you get square eyes?

 

 

Of course. Why would you sit close to your tv?

Then why did you give the comparison? If you know that you have choice as to your playing vantage point. For vantage point gaming consoles are prime choice.

 



S.T.A.G.E. on 10 March 2009
ssj12 said:
richardhutnik said:
Mendicate Bias said:
lol get prepared for a shit storm from the pc fanboys *cough*shio*cough* ;)

On topic, I honestly think its because they feel betrayed by the industry in a sense. Just a few years ago they were king of the gaming world with every high profile 'hardcore' game always debuting on the pc first. Fast forward a few years later and it seems like the focus of a lot of the bigger developers has shifted towards the consoles. I personally know of a pro UT gamer that can't stand UT3 because he says it was made with consoles in mind first and pc's second. Not sure what he means by that since I never played the game but I'm guessing they watered down the gameplay to allow for a more casual friendly aproach.

It also shows why pc gamers usually have such a high hatred of Halo. It started the entire shift that made consoles the home of shooters. And yes consoles have now surpassed pc's in the shooter realm. Halo 3, Gears of War 2, Resistance 2, Killzone 2 and The Conduit are all a testament to that fact.

I think it is something along the lines of this.  The story plays out this way:

1. Hardcore PC gamer drops over $1000 on their PC.

2. They tweak, pop, peak, and optimize their rigs to play real well.

3. They pump up the resolution real high and are boastful about that.

4. They find the masses could care less about this and just want to play games.  They are also wondering how in the heck they want to do this, AND will pay extra?  Don't the masses know if they just dedicate themselves to the PC, they can have a superior game experience FOR LESS MONEY PER GAME?  Nevermind the fact that the Wii can't even come close to their horsepower, but they are happy with it.

5. They are resentful that console gamings have a lot of attention, and sell better, and are what people care about. 

6. There is also the reality that the console versions of the same games usually sell better.

 

here is the hole in that, console games need to sell way more to make the same revenue for publishers so while they can make more than PC they have to sell way more than the PC version to accomplish this.

This is why most HD console games are multiplat now.

 

The majority of console games period have been multiplat.



S.T.A.G.E. on 10 March 2009
Deneidez said:

Stealing mah games and then dumbing down them. Console games are way too simplificated to be enjoyable for me anyways. Games have been going down hill since XBox entered the market. Hell, they get even simpler all the time. See Nintendo, thats your inevitable future. ;)

So big thanks for console players for supporting end of hardcore games!

 

(I am not alone btw,

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Weekend-Bashing-New-Games-Are-for-Dumb-Gamers-88468.shtml

Games are not getting any better as we might expect, but people are getting dumber (and by dumb I mean that lampposts would win in spelling competitions). Dumb may be too tough. Games today are no longer intellectually challenging and, I'm sure, most people have noticed that more and more potential buyers are attracted by graphics, rather than gameplay.

etc. , try

http://www.google.com/search?q=console+dumbing+down

for more)

Games are not being dumbed down. PS360 are playing status quo for the hardcore and the Wii is setting a standard in which PC cannot follow. Imagine a Wii with HD graphics next gen. That is flipping crazy. The PC cannot replicate that experience.



S.T.A.G.E. on 10 March 2009
ssj12 said:
richardhutnik said:
ssj12 said:
richardhutnik said:

6. There is also the reality that the console versions of the same games usually sell better.

 

here is the hole in that, console games need to sell way more to make the same revenue for publishers so while they can make more than PC they have to sell way more than the PC version to accomplish this.

This is why most HD console games are multiplat now.

Outside of licensing fees, why MUST a console version of a game sell more  than a PC version of the same title?  I remember reading how game designers make at least 4 times the revenue releasing a game on a console then the do on the PC.  A large part of it has to do with piracy.

 

Higher replication costs, more advertising, and the like. PC games or at least the PC versions of a game typically never see a single advertisement.

Also piracy isnt as bad as publishers whine about. Look at The Witcher for example. Zero DRM or any real anti-piracy measures. Sold over a million. Valve games always sell better on PC, they have DRM but Valve adds value to it making it so that there is no reason to pirate a game. EA might complain but realistically Spore was the highest selling PC game for nearly a month worldwide pulling over a million sales.

 

Piracy is as bad as publishers whine about. The only high selling PC game these days that I see is WOW and you are forced to have an account. This is why people must buy the game.