MS is in a winning streak, first they defeated the Gamecube, now the PS3. AMAZING!

This right here is the truth.

*Sigh* Either I'm popular or everyone is just trying to annoy me.

I never said that Sony wasn't defeated this generation, so don't put words in my mouth. And you really must think I'm an idiot if you felt like explaining the consequences of the Blu-ray inclusion. The PS3 didn't have a ridiculous manufacturing cost just because of one Blu-ray diode. There were a lot of other things that drove up the cost of making the console and could be considered mistakes. Don't explain things to me like I'm a child.

And how are the highest selling games of the generation always preordained? At the start of this generation, did anyone think that Wii Fit would be the hit game of this generation? No! You wanna know why? Because know one had ever heard of it! Unless you're implying that some mystical force predetermines which games sell well in the generation, in which case you're either straying off topic with something random or you're stating something obvious. I can't really tell at this point.

If the core Sony fans were so RPG obsessed, we would have seen 360 JRPGs selling A LOT more. The highest selling JRPG in America on the 360 has sales in the region of .55 million. The highest selling on the PS2 in America (Kingdom Hearts) racks up a total in the region of 3.45 million. This means we can come to either two conclusions. One, the JRPG-loving PS2 owners mostly moved over to the 360, but in insignificant amounts. Or two, that most of them have actually moved over to the DS, PSP, and possibly Wii (I mention the Wii because of the incredible userbase size). After all, the sales of RPGs on the handhelds would convince me of that. What sales numbers for 360 RPGs do you have to back up your assumption?

That last comment came out of nowhere, and ironically, sounded like a cliche fanboy comment.

Only losers like Montana, what a terrible state. :-p

Some people seem to take the success of the Xbox brand for granted, and what it has been able to achieve, because it's M$. The fact is that Xbox was a complete longshot, and YES....had it not been M$, or some other company that enjoys deep pockets, it would have failed, but the odds were still strongly against the brand succeeding. Now, heading into this generation, there was a WIDELY held belief that the ps3 would handily smash Nintendo and M$ to a pulp….and second place was expected to be left to between those two. Now, looking on the surface, Wii looks to have been the real winner, but 360 has held its own, and topping the sales of the previous console, with more steam in it’s boilers, the 360 looks to nearly double the LTD of the original Xbox….that is HUGE. Whatever the next generation brings, the Xbox family will be in the thick of things for top console, and that, in of itself is a huge level of success.

Well i guess ill agree with you but i dont think the PS3 has been defeated. 20M+ isnt defeated

M$ are doing well, no one can deny that. However people seem to think they destroyed Sony when Sony really dug themselves into a hole with their arrogance. They were cocky enough to think they could sell systems with no games, 600$ price tag, and expected 3rd party devs to beg to make games for them.

I think their were alterior motives for making the Ps3 have blu ray and the cell, to help Blu ray win the war and to put a use to the cell that they spent so much money on. I really think they were trying to do same thing they did with Ps2, market it as a DvD player and superior to DC etc. There were even rumours Ps2 could navigate missles.

Ps2 was more expensive then GC and DC when launched but still sold. Sony did themselves in and hopefully they will learn from it. Humble pie after dominating market for 2 gens. I think a Sony rep even said about the lack of good launch titles that the Ps3 would sell high no matter what games were out because people want a Ps3 just because or something.

Nintendo really did Sony in, they launched around same time and the hype for Wii ate up all the Ps3 sales, then Sony failed for all of 06 and half of 07 before they realized they had to work for sales this gen and started to pick up in 08.

Yeah... 'defeated Sony' LOL

Nintendo and MS defeated Sony.

Nintendo took the casuals and MS took the hardcore.

Were living in a perfect industry now.

A winner anticipates trouble on the horizon. MS knew the 360 needed to be out before the PS3 in order to gain marketshare. They aimed at the hardcore market - and gain some casuals too. Basically, take out Sony. And based on the fact of the 360 getting tons of exclusives, several timed exclusives, extra content to give 360 gamers the *complete* experience vs. the PS3 and its stable of exclusives (MGS4, Uncharted, LBP, Kill Zone 2, Haze, Lair, Heavenly Sword), I have to say:

Advantage: MS

No, the gen is far from over and the 360 could reverse course and head south fast. However, MS is still selling at a great rate in the face of an economic downturn, a huge FPS game (Kill Zone 2) and still holding its own.

Sure, the PS3 will get sales when it lowers the price, but will it be enough to catch the 360 any time soon? Look at the last cut - it boosted sales some, but were they sustained? The people that wanted them got them at that price. In order to get more sales, Sony has to cut the PS3 even more.

Sony can still get second place, but it will be very, very hard work against the Wii and the 360. Brand alone isn't going to win them anything but honorable mention, if that.