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HappySqurriel said:
Sharky54 said:
Funny thing is, the CELL is more powerful then all home computers even now I think. They could very well just beef up the cell(double the cores or something?) for not much of an extra price. If I am not mistaken it was designed so that more cores and stuff could be added at very little cost later down the road.

The main thing that will make the PS4 cost more then 200 dollars would be the graphics card. My bet is like 299-399. I doubt they will go with different versions. And if they use a beefed up cell, the BC would be very easy for them. They could even stick an RSX in there for next to nothing and do a pure hardware emulation if it was needed.

 

You may think it but that doesn't make it true ...

The Cell processor has yet to demonstrate a real world performance advantage over the XBox 360's CPU, and the XBox 360's CPU was very similar in performance to a mid-range gaming PC of 2005. In the past 4 years CPUs have continued to increase in performance quite dramatically, and even the untra low cost and low energy consumption Intel Atom processors are rapidly approaching the performance of the Cell processor.

 

Well as far as I know, It has more cores(7) It can do certain things faster then normal computers. I am not sure of all the information about computers and how everything works, But I know people have said its stronger then most computers.

 

Also for games not showing it off, thats the devs fault not the machines fault. Sony should have put out some better dev kits from the start.



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Sharky54 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Sharky54 said:
Funny thing is, the CELL is more powerful then all home computers even now I think. They could very well just beef up the cell(double the cores or something?) for not much of an extra price. If I am not mistaken it was designed so that more cores and stuff could be added at very little cost later down the road.

The main thing that will make the PS4 cost more then 200 dollars would be the graphics card. My bet is like 299-399. I doubt they will go with different versions. And if they use a beefed up cell, the BC would be very easy for them. They could even stick an RSX in there for next to nothing and do a pure hardware emulation if it was needed.

 

You may think it but that doesn't make it true ...

The Cell processor has yet to demonstrate a real world performance advantage over the XBox 360's CPU, and the XBox 360's CPU was very similar in performance to a mid-range gaming PC of 2005. In the past 4 years CPUs have continued to increase in performance quite dramatically, and even the untra low cost and low energy consumption Intel Atom processors are rapidly approaching the performance of the Cell processor.

 

Well as far as I know, It has more cores(7) It can do certain things faster then normal computers. I am not sure of all the information about computers and how everything works, But I know people have said its stronger then most computers.

 

Also for games not showing it off, thats the devs fault not the machines fault. Sony should have put out some better dev kits from the start.

 

It is far (FAR) better to have a processor with 1 core that is 4 times as powerful as each core on a 4 core processor, than it is to have the 4 core processor. Now, the reason why the Cell processor is still more powerful than most PC cpus is because most people own a 2 year (or older) laptop ...

Now, the reason why the Cell processor hasn't demonstrated benefits over the XBox 360's CPU is because it is not dramatically more powerful, and it is certanly not powerful enough to compete against new Intel processors ...



Well. You do know the PS3's cell is a watered down version right? Also I still see next gen the PS4 using a god like 23987928379 core cell for cheaper then the original cell this gen.



those are some good points i like thr free psn u included

1 more thing full b/c on the ps4 that includes ps3 games



                                                             

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ShadowSoldier said:
Sony FTW

 

 



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1 - Or better yet, don't use any format at all. Go download-only, offer older games for download VC-style, and kill the used market dead. Terrible for consumers, but great for Sony.

2 - Honestly, I'm not sure price was the MAIN reason the PS3 failed, but there's no denying that it did a lot of harm. However, do keep in mind that the PS3 as we know it could not possibly have been offered at a price people were willing to pay for a game console; even as-is, Sony took crippling losses at first and still isn't out of the hole. This is what's known as overengineering, and it's why the PS3 was so expensive. This needs to be avoided.

3 - What you are suggesting is not, in fact, what Nintendo did. However, it ties in with #2 in a different way: they need to keep the tech on the PS4 within a reasonable level -i.e. something they can offer for a price people are willing to pay for a game console- without breaking the bank.

4 - Offering dev kits early on is indeed key, but they also need to be good tools. There is no reason that the PS3 should be as hard to develop for as the current developers claim, but Sony has been slow in offering them the things they really need to take advantage of the PS3's architectural quirks.

5 - This ties in with the point above. The hardware should not be a problem for developers; Sony has made it that way.

6 - Ultimately, this is the key to everything.

7 - Square-Enix clearly has some very good reasons to believe that an FFVII remake would be a bad idea. What those reasons are, I don't claim to know, but they've been quite adamant in sticking to them, going so far as to develop completely new games as spinoffs when a remake might actually be cheaper. How much would it take for Sony to overcome this apparent fear? Could Sony even afford to do it?

8 - Exclusives are key, this is true. Convincing companies to go exclusive is the problem. The fratcore simply cannot sustain the market by themselves anymore, especially not when they're so sharply divided between consoles. Devs have good reason to feel a need to go multiplatform, and Sony will have to find a way to overcome that.

9 - How much can it be improved while keeping it free? Services cost money to run, and that money has to come from somewhere. XBLA would probably cost a fair bit more were it not for the fact that Microsoft has almost infinite amounts of money to pour into the XBox division from outside.

10 - Coming out first only gave the XBox a bit of a head start in claiming what scraps of the market were left over after the Wii went on a rampage.

11 - Sony's marketing has indeed been made of fail. Even if the only thing they did different next gen was to stop insulting their own fanbase, they'd probably get a significant boost.



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I can answer number 11.

The reason Sony didn't put to much money into the PS3's marketing was because they never really needed it for the PS1 and PS2. They had very little competition for the last two generations so they never needed to throw abunch of money into the marketing. When the PS3 came out they were expecting it to be like the PS1 and PS2 so they didn't put much money into marketing.

But now in 2009 they said there going to amp up the marketing for the PS3 and I believe that because I seen several Killzone 2 ads on a few different channels.

Now about the rest that this fella is talking about, if Sony does everything he said I can see the PS4 selling fairly good.



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Not quite sure how Sony failed. They sold 20m Ps3s so far when people claimed their console wouldn't even come close to that. It is a year behind the 360 and only 8 mil behind it, this time last year Xbox was at 17m or so. Seems pretty good to Sony for me.



all sony has to do to win the next generation is launch a nuke at nintendos hq.

other than that maybe they should partner with ms, then theyd have something.



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