Wow !! i know every company has its dark side , But thats flat out dirty!!
Wow !! i know every company has its dark side , But thats flat out dirty!!
Only 1-day. I don't see the big deal.
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i really do think the red 360 with RE red controller bundle is just damn cool compared to the ps3 bundle.
RVDondaPC said:
You do realize that people can own both consoles don't you? And you do realize that MS gets royalties from selling games? And you do realize that a lot of japanese gamers favor the PS3 and would most likely buy all multiplats on the PS3 if they had both? And you do realize there is an online co-op which means if a person picks up the 360 version early, later on it could factor into a friend getting the 360 version over a PS3 version? And you do realize the more someone plays a system and the more games they buy for a system the more they are going to like the system and support games on it that they otherwise may not have been interested in or even cared to check out? You do also realize that that link was from a japanese website advertising for free the XBOX 360 and the fact that a very popular game is on that console, helping to erase the notion that the 360 doesn't have many games for the japanese market? Just because you can't figure out how it would help MS, doesn't mean that it wouldn't. |
Honestly, how many times are you going to use the word "realize". The only thing I realized reading your post is that you have no idea what you're talking about. First off, there is probably a small percentage of Japanese who own both systems and of those, how many are going to buy RE5 at all. Of those who do, how many feel the need to get it at launch first day? It's probably a small number. No matter what, we'll see the numbers soon and I can gaurantee you that in Japan as we just saw with SF4, the PS3 version will sell a lot more due to the larger userbase there.
In the end, one day will make almost no difference. What I posted was common sense. If I want nonsense, I'll just reread your post, I guess.
I'll come up with something better eventually...
nightsurge said:
Wait, so Japan, which has only sold 3 million PS3's and 1 million 360's, is supposed to have a high percentage of people owning BOTH the PS3 and 360 rather than the Wii which has sold 8 million? The free 360 link was probably the same as the fake/scams and "participation required" ads we see all the time for all systems. The 360 has had more games for the Japanese market than the PS3 this generation... so I fail to see how a multiplat releasing ONE day early at ONE retailer is going to move thousands of PS3 loyalists. I think you are taking this poor excuse for a conspriacy and running it straight through a stack of needles.
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Rather than a wii? Who was talking about a wii? what does that have to do with anything? obviously if someone in japan has 2 consoles there is a higher chance one of them will be a wii. But what does that have to do with anything? I'm sure there are plently of people that own a PS3, then bought a 360 for star ocean or one of the other japanese targeted games out on that system. And you're right there are a lot of games on the 360 targeted at the japanese market but it still is only selling 1/3 of the PS3. Obviously there is either deep seeded bias against the 360 or there is a perceptual gap between what japanese games the 360 offers and what the japanese think the 360 offers. Having a very popular, well established franchise, come out on that system can help to change that perception of the 360 not supporting japanese friendly games.
I don't think 100 infinite discoveries or last remnants will do as much to change that perception as one Resident Evil game. Even if a person doesn't own a 360 or want to buy RE5, just knowing that the system supports well established Japanese games will do a lot to change that bias perception against it and lead to much better sales in the future for the 360 or future MS consoles. Having exclusive's like Star Ocean, another well established franchise, doesn't hurt changing the perception of the 360 either.
Also I didn't say this would swing thousands of PS3 loyalists to buy a 360. You put too many words into my mouth. And I believe this was a chain of retailers not just a single store. But either way obviously the impact it would have would depend on the scale that it took place. But the theory of the benefits still remains the same no matter how large or small.
haha for multiplatform game, damn its quite intereseting but still be outsold 3-1
coasterlove said:
Honestly, how many times are you going to use the word "realize". The only thing I realized reading your post is that you have no idea what you're talking about. First off, there is probably a small percentage of Japanese who own both systems and of those, how many are going to buy RE5 at all. Of those who do, how many feel the need to get it at launch first day? It's probably a small number. No matter what, we'll see the numbers soon and I can gaurantee you that in Japan as we just saw with SF4, the PS3 version will sell a lot more due to the larger userbase there. In the end, one day will make almost no difference. What I posted was common sense. If I want nonsense, I'll just reread your post, I guess.
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You don't check the sales charts do you? For most games about 50-60% of it's sales in Japan come first week. And you can bet about 20% of total sales comes in the first day. And it's impossible to know who owns both but it is pretty conceivable to believe that a japanese gamer would buy a PS3 as his/her main console but then purchase a 360 because of the few exclusives that it has such as star ocean. As for how many people are going to buy RE5... 240,000 bought RE4 first week on the PS2, 142,000 bought it first day on the GC, Resident Evil 3 did 1.1 million first week on the PS, Resident Evil 2 did 1.3 million first week in japan, and the original Resident Evil did 137,000. Though I'm sure it wont reach RE3 or RE2 levels first week it is pretty safe to say that the game will sell more than the original RE did first week as well as more than Devil May Cry 4 which sold a combined 250,000 first week.
And I agree with you that the PS3 version will sell more than the 360 version. But you said you fail to see how this would benefit MS not how will this make the 360 version sell more than the PS3 version. So i told you how it would benefit MS. Even if it only persuades 1,000 people to buy the game on the 360 instead of the PS3, that wont be much of a different in the sales figures but that's still thousands of dollars in royalties that MS gets as well as potential future sales. If you still fail to see how it would benefit MS then maybe you should just stick to your common sense. But know that just because a sense is common doesn't mean it's intelligent.
@RVDondaPC
Exactly. Sure the "theory" of benefits would be there, but having the game leak out a day early at ONE retailer (notice I did not say one store as you misinterpreted), with only whomever happens to own a PS3/360 and be in the shop that very day will likely know and have a chance to get it, and then if they really do favor the PS3 more as you say, you still think any decent amount of people would make the switch to the 360 because of this one multiplatform game?
Your original argument was worded as an insult on his intelligence and gave the impression that you thought this would benefit Microsoft a lot, but even if 1000 copies are sold early to the 360, I'm pretty sure Microsoft would see that as no benefit at all. There is no way Microsoft would somehow sneak in and make one retailer launch the game 1 day early. They are not that desperate, and the very small (theoretical) benefits just wouldn't make it worth it.
You were arguing on behalf of the "Microsoft must have paid/persuaded them to do this!" side. We were showing you why Microsoft would have no reasonably sized benefits from this, thus making some costly stunt would not be worth it, and this whole conspiracy theory was an utter joke. I think that is all coasterlove and myself were trying to say. You've taken it to even finer detail now and are claiming that even a very small benefit is a benefit, and while true, it would not justify the costs and the plans associated with doing something like releasing the game one day early at one retailer.
RVDondaPC said:
You don't check the sales charts do you? For most games about 50-60% of it's sales in Japan come first week. And you can bet about 20% of total sales comes in the first day. And it's impossible to know who owns both but it is pretty conceivable to believe that a japanese gamer would buy a PS3 as his/her main console but then purchase a 360 because of the few exclusives that it has such as star ocean. As for how many people are going to buy RE5... 240,000 bought RE4 first week on the PS2, 142,000 bought it first day on the GC, Resident Evil 3 did 1.1 million first week on the PS, Resident Evil 2 did 1.3 million first week in japan, and the original Resident Evil did 137,000. Though I'm sure it wont reach RE3 or RE2 levels first week it is pretty safe to say that the game will sell more than the original RE did first week as well as more than Devil May Cry 4 which sold a combined 250,000 first week. And I agree with you that the PS3 version will sell more than the 360 version. But you said you fail to see how this would benefit MS not how will this make the 360 version sell more than the PS3 version. So i told you how it would benefit MS. Even if it only persuades 1,000 people to buy the game on the 360 instead of the PS3, that wont be much of a different in the sales figures but that's still thousands of dollars in royalties that MS gets as well as potential future sales. If you still fail to see how it would benefit MS then maybe you should just stick to your common sense. But know that just because a sense is common doesn't mean it's intelligent. |
First off, I choose my words carefully, so please don't try to tell me what I said.
In your post, you wrote "But you said you fail to see how this would benefit MS not how will this make the 360 version sell more than the PS3 version."
Where did I say that?
Go ahead, look....
That's right, nowhere did I say that.
Now here is what I did in fact say in my original post-
"How would this help out Microsoft to the point that they would somehow have organized this?"
It's not exactly the same thing, is it? In fact it's far different. I questioned how this would help Microsoft enough for them to have possibly organized this somehow. My point is how silly the conspiracy theory is, not that it wouldn't help Microsoft at all. Clearly, any advance sale of the game before the PS3 counterpart helps Microsoft. I'm just disputing the amount of help.
And you can give me all the numbers you want and imply I don't pay attention to the charts if it makes you feel better but I'll even use some of your numbers from your post. Even if this does help Microsoft to the effect of thousands, hell make it hundreds of thousands of dollars, that's spare change. We're talking about a billion dollar industry, two companies that are worth billions of dollars. Do you really think they would bother with a plan like this? It would the same as one of working a few hours in order to make an extra nickel.
I'll come up with something better eventually...