1001. There are over 200,000 people playing online.

So 0.5% of people with Killzone 2 are complaining about the controls.

Not bad

Okay, then. If the controls are bad (not you think they're bad, not you find them difficult to use, they are bad), why do so many people (like myself) use them with ease? Don't say "because you're Sony fans" because that's ridiculous. I don't automatically like everything Sony make. MotorStorm for example, I hate that game.

Another question:

Who is having more fun here? The people who can use these "bad controls", who get another excellent FPS to play, or the people who do nothing but moan and call them unusable after five minutes?

And there is our dilemma.

The people complaining about the controls didn't want Killzone 2. They wanted CoD4 with motion blur, a lightning gun and Helghast. They may not admit this, hell, they may not even know this, but pretty much anybody comparing the controls to CoD4 wanted what I have described.

It's obvious that the majority likes it. Anecdotal data: Look in the Sony forum. How many pro-KZ posts do you see, how many anti-KZ posts? I would say the ratio is something like 20:1.

And I'm not sure realism was what they wanted. Don't act like the controls were a mistake, Guerilla had over 4 years and a good 40 million dollars to develop one game. Don't you think they would have noticed if something was wrong? The controls were a design choice. I think they were a good one, some people don't, apparently.

I changed the controls to alternate2, makes the L1 my zoom button and right bumper the melee hit, I found that way its more like a standard shooter but I still have to use the L2 to get on a wall, it would be better for me with L1 to zoom and left bumper to get on the walls and L2 to run but its not in there...
I also check the hold to zoom button, I hated it when it stayed zoomed-in while I was getting shot.

I hope you arn't serious.

This is one hell of a game. More medics are starting to appear now that people are ranking up. People are starting to make good use of squads. I just got my awesome LMG's (and they're beasts). The MP is becoming more enjoyable. As much as I hate the controls, why would I wanna go back to CoD5? Do you seriously think that everyone who has a problem with the controls are really just gonna go back to whatever they were playing at first without even giving this game a chance? Of course there's gonna be tons of people playing, but that doesn't mean they like the controls.

As for you using them with "ease", not everyone is you. Though I can deal with the controls, I still want them to be abit easier not for only for myself, but for my friends also - sluggish controls are enough to push away some people. Keep in mind that not everyone will attempt to get used to them. If they're trying to make the game tactical/challenging, there's a hundred other ways to do that besides unrealistically hindering the player's aiming speed.

You're right the game is excellent (well, besides the ridiculous lack of options), but I'd like to remind you that the people complaining all the time are probably also enjoying it. If the game sucked, no one would complain and everyone would really then go back to CoD4.

Everytime we get one of these thread it is just nonstop crying from both sides.

If you don't like it, don't play it.
If you like it, play it.

If you don't own a PS3 and have never played the game. STFU!

I love the controls by the way, and unlike what one person in this thread said, it is not because I suck at other shooter. I'll wipe the floor with your asses in UT3.

Of course I'm joking lol. But the people who like the controls far outnumber those who don't.

Now, it depends on what level you dislike the controls. If you find them a minor annoyance, fine. Keep playing, you'll get used to them. It took a few demo playthroughs for me to get used to them.

Then, there are the people who say the controls are so messed up that the game is unplayable, and they aren't going to buy it. They say that it needs to be more like CoD4. It doesn't. It's not CoD4. But they're too far gone.

Anyway, glad to hear you're enjoying it. I get a little...overenthusiastic when defending things.

You couldn't have been more wrong with that CoD comment. They're completely different games. One is a class-based game with emphasis on squads, tactics, and positioning. The other has lots imbalanced gimmicks, involves lots of spawn-killing, and a has stupid little perk that everyone and their dog uses to make grenades pop out of their corpses - you don't know how many times I've stepped away from someone after killing them in KZ2. You know what I do when I feel like gettin one of the top scores in a CoD5 match? Get my 2 free kills with a rifle grenade, then blow myself up for an ammo refill and repeat. It's even more effective when playing TDM in a Team Tactical match (how's that for tactics?). I can't do lame shit like that in KZ2 and I'm glad.

As for the posts.....This is VGchartz. All it takes is a game with good graphics for people to start making countless threads about it. This was especially true for KZ2. You should know this by now.

And for a game with 4 years of development, they sure left out alot of things.

i dont know about you guys.. but when i buy a game i buy a game.. and not a new religion or philosophy.. and thus if im having a problem with it i play something else or wait till they fix it and dont pray for deliverance from the disbelievers who cant see the perfection of the game

it wont help if somebody who ..like me has been waiting for this game for a while ..tells me that it is practically my problem.. because i cant embrace the games ingenious "realistic" way of controlls.. im not satisfied with this.. and its alienating and i have yet to see any proof that they did it on purpose

 im sick and tired of this oversimplification that you either like it or not .. of course i like it i waited eons for it and payed 70E but god forbid i have any expectations.. "pro killzone and anti killzone fanboys" what is this "the wave"? i didnt realize that there is only a "for or against"

as for this great statement that its only a few of us who are having problems.. look at this forum.. look at the official forum. just any ..but of course those are all only microsoftfanboys and defeatists who cant embrace the diving glory that is killzone 2 ...will you give it a rest i mean i too was 15 once.. i remember how its like to wait for something really really good and it turns out it is flawed and you attack anyone who talks about the flaws..of course they are mostly as simplistic as those who are "defending" the game

if you think that all i do is complian.. well why i should i mention any of the good aspects of the game again and again and again we have legions of people with apparently no other purpose to do that yes the game is good but only because i dont chime in in the neverending chorus of praise doesent mean i dont like it so dont you dare try to make me "that misfit who doese nothing but complain" if youd be a little more objective in your judgement i would not have to be the ass who points out these things

its not like i paid 400€ for a system and 70€ for a game just to rip on it ..

I know what you mean. The controls feel weird for such a majorly hyped game. Making the controls more sensitive is the only way to counter this that i know of.

 First off, I have no opinion on the controls of this game specifically. I haven't played it. I hate all dual analog controls for a FPS though, and would say most people use them with ease because they don't know what god controls are. Thats just me. I am a snob when it comes to control schemesso I am probably not the best person to talk to about it. That is unless you want me to rip into every controller I have played with and explain why it sucks under certain cirumstances.

 Also, just because something is bad does not mean it can't be used with ease. Trying to define what is good and what is bad is essentially impossible in this situation. There is no way to objectively define good controls versus bad controls in a general sense. Just being easy to use won't make it good though.

 As to the final part, well that again depends on the individual. Some people enjoy hating. Its a kick. I enjoy hating certain things in public. I won't fake a hatred, but I do enjoy espousing my extremely negative opinion sometimes. It is a guilty pleasure I suppose, but someone has to go out there and point out the flaws in a game.