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KLucifer said:
saicho said:
KLucifer said:
why so many people saying JRPG is all mediocre this gen of market or some people say JRPG is doing worse, dying genre, etc...last gen was just as mediocre if you put it that way...there were only a handful of AAA titles for JRPG...probably could count them with one hand...

FF12 92
FFX 92
Persona 4 93

oh i just did...didn't even need all 5 fingers


none of the DQ or KH series is AAA....so if you talk about amazing JRPG...it's a misconception...only amazing games that are going to be if you go by rating are probably going to be FF series...and maybe one random JRPG...so in that sense...even last gen has been mediocre if not worse than this gen...the difference between last gen and this gen is the quantities of different games that have been coming out...

DQ8 and KH2 last gen received as good reviews as the 3 you listed in Japan (if not better)... they are definitely AAA.

 

kingdom hearts to received 87...which isn't AAA
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/kingdomhearts2?q=kingdom%20hearts%202
and DQ8 received 89...just one point shy of AAA
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/dragonquest8?q=dragone%20quest%20viii

and no they have not received better....

uh... I said.. in Japan. We are talking about JRPG after all.

Famisu scores

Final Fantasy XII     40
Final Fantasy X       39
Dragon Quest VIII      39
Kingdom Hearts 2      39
Kingdom Hearts          36
Persona 4          33

 

 



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

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saicho said:
KLucifer said:
saicho said:
KLucifer said:
why so many people saying JRPG is all mediocre this gen of market or some people say JRPG is doing worse, dying genre, etc...last gen was just as mediocre if you put it that way...there were only a handful of AAA titles for JRPG...probably could count them with one hand...

FF12 92
FFX 92
Persona 4 93

oh i just did...didn't even need all 5 fingers


none of the DQ or KH series is AAA....so if you talk about amazing JRPG...it's a misconception...only amazing games that are going to be if you go by rating are probably going to be FF series...and maybe one random JRPG...so in that sense...even last gen has been mediocre if not worse than this gen...the difference between last gen and this gen is the quantities of different games that have been coming out...

DQ8 and KH2 last gen received as good reviews as the 3 you listed in Japan (if not better)... they are definitely AAA.

 

kingdom hearts to received 87...which isn't AAA
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/kingdomhearts2?q=kingdom%20hearts%202
and DQ8 received 89...just one point shy of AAA
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/dragonquest8?q=dragone%20quest%20viii

and no they have not received better....

uh... I said.. in Japan. We are talking about JRPG after all.

Famisu scores

Final Fantasy XII     40
Final Fantasy X       39
Dragon Quest VIII      39
Kingdom Hearts 2      39
Kingdom Hearts          36
Persona 4          33

 

 

He as well as I am/was/were/are talking about metacritic or gamerankings. You know, all the reviewers. And TOV wasn't that great...

 



 

 

It's my pet peeve, but: AAA =/= 90+ on metacritic.

But even if you want 90+ JRPGs, there's still a lot coming besides the two Final Fantasy's, especially on Wii:

Kizuna
Arc Rise Fantasia
Muramasa: Demon Blade
Tales of Ten
Dragon Quest X
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga

Some of those definitely have potential to become great.

And current gen releases for Kingdom Hearts, Suikoden and Shin Megami Tensei have yet to be reveiled.



JRPGs are moving onto handhelds. Get with the times. If you aren't playing on a DS or PSP, then stop complaining and buy one or both of them. It's only going to become more and more saturated on handhelds and less on consoles.



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Dragon Quest is AAA.



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There is no other way to find out whether the game is AAA or not other than to look at its metascore.

- Looking at sales figures is not an option because the gap between certain jRPG titles (FF, Pokemon) and other games in the genre is way too big.

- To judge it based on opinions of hardcore crowd is not an option either. Such debates can last forever.

So: AAA = 90+ metascore. Simple as that. There is no reason to make it more complicated.



Rei said:

There is no other way to find out whether the game is AAA or not other than to look at its metascore.

Looking at sales figures is not an option because the gap between certain jRPG titles (FF, Pokemon) and niche games in the genre is way too big.

Judge it based on opinions of hardcore crowd is even worse idea. Such debates can last forever.

AAA = 90+ metascore. Simple as that. And we are only going to get a few console jRPG AAA titles this gen.

 

In reality AAA games are simply those games that receive the biggest budgets, the best developers and are most of the time part of a high quality series. Aka the #1 products of the industry. As a result of the bigger budgets, those will most of the time also receive high scores. But if RE5 scores lower than 90 on metacritic, it's still undeniably an AAA game. It's pretty weird to think otherwise.



BengaBenga said:
Rei said:

There is no other way to find out whether the game is AAA or not other than to look at its metascore.

Looking at sales figures is not an option because the gap between certain jRPG titles (FF, Pokemon) and niche games in the genre is way too big.

Judge it based on opinions of hardcore crowd is even worse idea. Such debates can last forever.

AAA = 90+ metascore. Simple as that. And we are only going to get a few console jRPG AAA titles this gen.

 

In reality AAA games are simply those games that receive the biggest budgets, the best developers and are most of the time part of a high quality series. Aka the #1 products of the industry. As a result of the bigger budgets, those will most of the time also receive high scores. But if RE5 scores lower than 90 on metacritic, it's still undeniably an AAA game. It's pretty weird to think otherwise.

   Every system has its flaws. It's not like I am saying that metacritic always gives you the right idea of how good a game is. What I am saying is that there is no better way to judge whether the game is AAA or not.

 



saicho said:
KLucifer said:
saicho said:
KLucifer said:
why so many people saying JRPG is all mediocre this gen of market or some people say JRPG is doing worse, dying genre, etc...last gen was just as mediocre if you put it that way...there were only a handful of AAA titles for JRPG...probably could count them with one hand...

FF12 92
FFX 92
Persona 4 93

oh i just did...didn't even need all 5 fingers


none of the DQ or KH series is AAA....so if you talk about amazing JRPG...it's a misconception...only amazing games that are going to be if you go by rating are probably going to be FF series...and maybe one random JRPG...so in that sense...even last gen has been mediocre if not worse than this gen...the difference between last gen and this gen is the quantities of different games that have been coming out...

DQ8 and KH2 last gen received as good reviews as the 3 you listed in Japan (if not better)... they are definitely AAA.

 

kingdom hearts to received 87...which isn't AAA
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/kingdomhearts2?q=kingdom%20hearts%202
and DQ8 received 89...just one point shy of AAA
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/dragonquest8?q=dragone%20quest%20viii

and no they have not received better....

uh... I said.. in Japan. We are talking about JRPG after all.

Famisu scores

Final Fantasy XII     40
Final Fantasy X       39
Dragon Quest VIII      39
Kingdom Hearts 2      39
Kingdom Hearts          36
Persona 4          33

 

 

Lost Odyssey: 36

Blue Dragon: 37

The Last Remnant: 38

Tales of Vesperia: 34

Eternal Sonata: 35

So far thats good considering KH2, FFXII and Dragon Quest 8 came out late in the consoles's lifecycle or were sequels to games already released in that generation. Also, of course, the Final Fantasy's aren't out yet (Versus and XIII).

 



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If we are simply doing meta 90's, then I think other than FF XIII, V XIII, the VII remake, KH 3 for the PlayStation 3!!! most of the jRPGs do not really cater to western reviewers, which is the key thing if we are looking at meta