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Bitmap Frogs on 20 February 2009
kutasek said:

Facts are not welcome here, lol.

 

You mean Brett made up all the numbers?





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kutasek on 20 February 2009
Euphoria14 said:
mrstickball said:

All Star Oceans take place in the same general timeline of events - like Phantasy Star (pre-PSO) did. Star Ocean has never had a spinoff, only remakes.

And for the record on Star Ocean sales:

Star Ocean (SNES):

  • 76,000 - First Week   VGChartz - 105,678
  • 176,000 - LTD   VGChartz - 0.23m

Star Ocean 2 (PS1):

  • 374,000 - First Week 
  • 700,000 - LTD

Star Ocean 3 (PS2):

  • 386,000 - First Week 
  • 533,000 - LTD   

Star Ocean: First Departure (PSP Remake of SO1)

  • 115,000 - First Week 111,976
  • 205,000 - LTD

Star Ocean: Second Story (PSP Remake of SO2)

  • 90,000 - First Week
  • 143,000 - LTD

There are a few ways to look at it. On one hand, it's definately going to underpreform vs. SO3. However, on the other end, the PSP remakes did abysmal, and SO4 on 360 already outsold both PSP remakes' first week numbers in 1 day, and is assured to pass the SO2 remake's LTD numbers in 1 week. So looking at the most recent titles, SO4 did very well on the 360, regardless. It's just when you compare it to SO3, it doesn't look as stellar.

More than likely, I think we'll see a PS3/X360 Director's Cut, since the DC of SO3 did very well. But that's IMO.

And Max, since you have no idea about Star Ocean, I'll give you a hint: The PSP versions are as much Star Ocean as the FFIII and IV remakes on DS are. Take that as you want, but that's the same level they are on. Phantasy Star Portable has been mentioned as well, which is an apt comparason too (and Phantasy Star Portable sold ~700,000 on the PSP).

You're off on SO1 by a bit, going by VGChartz anyways.

Your first comment makes me wonder then why in the hell they would re-release the first two on Sony platforms and then only release the follow up title on a platform that has none of the other games and none of the fanbase. Shouldn't they have re-release the first two on XBLA instead?

Makes very little sense to me.

They was a trailer in SO2 wasn't there, about SO4, kinda strange don't you think.

 



Euphoria14 on 20 February 2009
pbroy said:
Euphoria14 said:
pbroy said:
Euphoria14 said:
Dianko said:
I love the shit talking on SO4. Didn't it outsell day 1 of the last game in the series (the PSP one)?

 

PSP ones were remakes of the 1st and 2nd games that were released on the SNES and PS1.

The last game in the series which is SO3 sold 396,036 accodring to this site in its first week.

 

Edit - Good god! Damn Max beat me for the 2nd time today!

Max King of the Wild said:
Dianko said:
I love the shit talking on SO4. Didn't it outsell day 1 of the last game in the series (the PSP one)?

you mean the remake? on a handheld... even if it wasnt a remake it would have been spin off and still on a hand held.

 

Phantasy Star Portable says "Hi"

 

 

No idea why I was quoted unless I missed something here. *scratches head*

I was just letting him know that SO4 did not outsell the last game in the series, which was SO3.

 

You confuse me.

 

For downplaying the power of handhelds to sell games over consoles. Remakes can sell good while being on a handheld. ¬_¬

 

 

I wasn't trying to downplay the power of handhelds, nowhere did I even mention that. I was only pointing out a fact, that it indeed did not outsell the first week of the "last game in the series" which was Star Ocean 3. The handheld remakes are not part of that discussion as they are not "the last game in the series".

Catch my drift?



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Euphoria14 on 20 February 2009
kutasek said:
Euphoria14 said:
mrstickball said:

All Star Oceans take place in the same general timeline of events - like Phantasy Star (pre-PSO) did. Star Ocean has never had a spinoff, only remakes.

And for the record on Star Ocean sales:

Star Ocean (SNES):

  • 76,000 - First Week   VGChartz - 105,678
  • 176,000 - LTD   VGChartz - 0.23m

Star Ocean 2 (PS1):

  • 374,000 - First Week 
  • 700,000 - LTD

Star Ocean 3 (PS2):

  • 386,000 - First Week 
  • 533,000 - LTD   

Star Ocean: First Departure (PSP Remake of SO1)

  • 115,000 - First Week 111,976
  • 205,000 - LTD

Star Ocean: Second Story (PSP Remake of SO2)

  • 90,000 - First Week
  • 143,000 - LTD

There are a few ways to look at it. On one hand, it's definately going to underpreform vs. SO3. However, on the other end, the PSP remakes did abysmal, and SO4 on 360 already outsold both PSP remakes' first week numbers in 1 day, and is assured to pass the SO2 remake's LTD numbers in 1 week. So looking at the most recent titles, SO4 did very well on the 360, regardless. It's just when you compare it to SO3, it doesn't look as stellar.

More than likely, I think we'll see a PS3/X360 Director's Cut, since the DC of SO3 did very well. But that's IMO.

And Max, since you have no idea about Star Ocean, I'll give you a hint: The PSP versions are as much Star Ocean as the FFIII and IV remakes on DS are. Take that as you want, but that's the same level they are on. Phantasy Star Portable has been mentioned as well, which is an apt comparason too (and Phantasy Star Portable sold ~700,000 on the PSP).

You're off on SO1 by a bit, going by VGChartz anyways.

Your first comment makes me wonder then why in the hell they would re-release the first two on Sony platforms and then only release the follow up title on a platform that has none of the other games and none of the fanbase. Shouldn't they have re-release the first two on XBLA instead?

Makes very little sense to me.

They was a trailer in SO2 wasn't there, about SO4, kinda strange don't you think.

 

 

To me it was a dumb move to go exclusive. They would have had much more success if this game was multi, considering where the fanbase was.



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pbroy on 20 February 2009

If there is a Phantasy Star Universe 2 on consoles. I'm pretty sure it won't sell as much as Phantasy Star Portable.

That would meet the arguments criteria right?

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mrstickball on 20 February 2009
Euphoria14 said:

You're off on SO1 by a bit, going by VGChartz anyways.

Your first comment makes me wonder then why in the hell they would re-release the first two on Sony platforms and then only release the follow up title on a platform that has none of the other games and none of the fanbase. Shouldn't they have re-release the first two on XBLA instead?

Makes very little sense to me.

I was using Famitsu numbers, not VGC, for all 5 Star Ocean titles.

Also, the PSP is not the Playstation, it *is* a different fanbase, although close to eachother. That's like arguing why the DS got the Final Fantasy remakes, while the Playstation 3 is getting FFXIII in Japan.

And yes, they should have released titles on XBLA, but I wonder if they weren't strongly considered due to size limits.

Star Scream - Monster Hunter Portable destroyed Monster Hunter console, so why is it that we can't assume that handhelds have power to sell a title? I mean, Radiant Mythology 2 for the PSP destroyed ToS2 for the Wii - it outsold it in 2 weeks. So why is it that the SO remakes have absolutely no bearing in the argument?



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Bitmap Frogs on 20 February 2009
Euphoria14 said:

To me it was a dumb move to go exclusive. They would have had much more success if this game was multi, considering where the fanbase was.

 

FF13V will make more money multi. Valkyria Chronicles would have made more money multi. MGS4 would have made tons of extra money going multi.

Whenever you use that argument, remember it goes both ways.





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Euphoria14 on 20 February 2009
pbroy said:
If there is a Phantasy Star Universe 2 on consoles. I'm pretty sure it won't sell as much as Phantasy Star Portable.

That would meet the arguments criteria right?

 

I honestly do not where you are trying to go with this.

Yes or no question. Is the PSP remakes the last Star Ocean game in the series? Answer is no.

That is the point I made, I have no idea where all this other stuff is coming from.

 



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mike_intellivision on 20 February 2009
r3av3r2k1 said:
shinning Force bombed hard on DS was expecting allot more from this game its somewhat of a return to strategy rpg and it does allot worst then the crappy action rpg´s sega released on the ps2 with the shinning name a real shame

I wonder if Sega's attempt at making Shining Force more action-orineted on the PS2 have resulted in confusion and rejection.

As a reuslt, people who want SRPGs now think "Fire Emblem" instead of "Shining Force."

That might be why first-day sales were so low.

 

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Star Scream on 20 February 2009
pbroy said:
If there is a Phantasy Star Universe 2 on consoles. I'm pretty sure it won't sell as much as Phantasy Star Portable.

That would meet the arguments criteria right?

 

But it wouldn't be the same type of game as PSP. PSP focused heavily on local multiplayer, and that's not going to happen with PSU2. Apples and oranges...