blue dragon has sold considerably well and has had great reviews in japan and decent in US, i think the attachment rate of blue dragon i s like 40 to 50% over there

We have yet to see how lost odyssey will push it, right now its in fams top 10 most wanted games

BTW they are not new IP not when they have the FF creator himself at the helm, as you can see attachment rates with blue dragon, his games will sell and very high, now only if the user base was a little bit bigger

Final-Fan - I don't mean to make them out as bit-players so much as I mean to point out that they haven't got a shot at being the big player. In comparison to what their competitors have managed in the past they've done nothing truly significant in this industry, and nothing indicates that they are on the path to changing that. Least of all their own actions and words.

solracbrit - I didn't miss what you said. I said that despite that, their influence on the eventual winner is minor. You made this thread pointing out that they are helping Nintendo win the 7th gen war, I pointed out that Sony and Nintendo have a hell of a lot more to do with it than MS. Our statements are NOT mutually exclussive. I'm not sure, with three itterations of the same statement, how you still failed to understand that point.

LtoK - So? Nothing else in the country sells, what's your point? The 360 has one, and only one, game worth buying in the minds of Japanese gamers. That doesn't mean it'd have done well on a system with actual competition. In fact, all that it means is that Blue Dragon is one of the very, very few reasons why Japanese gamers even consider the thing to even exist.

I'm not sure that GTA can be responsible for the success of the PS2, with the most sold GTA game being what, 6-7 million units?
The sole reason for the PS2's success is the success and initial shock of Playstation. They invented 3D console gaming and had a multitude of fantastic franchises that were sure to surface on the PS2 as well.
MGS, FF, GT, RE, TR, RR, Tekken and a bunch of others made up the most solid spine of any gaming platform ever, so it's a no brainer that people were anticipating the sequels and the follow up to the Playstation.

As for Nintendo; they always did go their own way, and I respect that. But they have a tendency to refuse to embrace technology, and this will harm them over time as people become more and more enveloped in technology in their daily lives. As they expect their stereo's, tv's and other appliances to deliver modern and sharply, they will also demand and expect consoles and PC's to do the same.
The Wii is a stroke of genious right now, but I can't see it lasting (no I don't hate ninty, I grew up with them and own a NES, SNES and a 64...).
People say that PS3 has no chance because numbers are low, and they clearly expect the Wii to sell as good or even better than it does now for years to come. That's slightly unrealistic imo.
Rememeber at the Wii and PS3 launch when the whole world (practically) said that the 360 was sure to win simply because it had sold the most at the time?

 Blue Dragon has an almost 45% attach rate in Japan.  The console may have failed, but the game is doing absolutely fantastically on it.  

Hum...

Viva Piñata is made by RARE who is English developer . . . . . .

^^ So? Japanese love those kind of games. Although surprisingly Dewy's adventure flopped big time there!

I think microsoft views Sony as an enemy. With that said, I don't think microsoft likes Nintendo either. But there is an old saying- the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So thats probably why microsoft is making games for DS, but not PSP (viva pinata, diddy kong racing, ect)
I don't think microsoft is trying to let Nintendo win the console war though. I think they want to win, but more than winning, they want Sony to lose. In doing so, they have indirectly given Nintendo a very very good shot at victory.

@ soriku QFT

Microsoft wants to take out sony, then they want to go against nintendo(but it will never happen).

 Nintendo was backed into a corner and fought back the way it needed and should have.  Last year before the Wii was released and before the DS took off I called Nintendo the sleeping dragon of the games industry.  I saw the impending storm that Nintendo was about to unleash.  The storm was brewing for far too long and any Nintendo fan should have noticed what was happening.  There was a huge absence of games during 05 on Nintendo's console's.  Nintendo took most of the year to develop DS games and put together the Wii/start Wii software.  We've been reaping the benefits of 05 since last May.  Sure, a bunch of cube games got pushed back to be released on the Wii, but looking at a list of how many games Nintendo has in development you can easily see that there is probably a lot of finished product that Nintendo's purposely been sitting on and may continue to do so for awhile for both the DS and Wii.

Nintendo is toying right now...  The sleeping dragon is awake and it's looking to feed.