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Darth Tigris on 21 February 2009

Ok, I'm not reading all of these pages but selective memory seems to be running rampant.

Sony was the undisputed champion of gaming for over 10 years and was expected to continue their run this gen. They are currently in 3rd place with that not changing anytime soon.

While the PS3 is not a failure per say and definitely not a flop, there is no way that anyone can reasonably say it has performed anywhere near the expectations placed upon it when it was announced and leading up to its initial release window.

That being said, the journalist wasn't being biased in his questions. They have a negative tone, but they are not biased.



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wfz on 21 February 2009
Darth Tigris said:
Ok, I'm not reading all of these pages but selective memory seems to be running rampant.

Sony was the undisputed champion of gaming for over 10 years and was expected to continue their run this gen. They are currently in 3rd place with that not changing anytime soon.

While the PS3 is not a failure per say and definitely not a flop, there is no way that anyone can reasonably say it has performed anywhere near the expectations placed upon it when it was announced and leading up to its initial release window.

That being said, the journalist wasn't being biased in his questions. They have a negative tone, but they are not biased.

 

 

Well, that's about all I have to contribute to this thread.

 

I'd offer my opinion on the measurement of "quality", but I'm really torn on the issue. There's just way too many variables that go into it, and it's all waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too damn subjective. If I had to stick by one thing, it'd be sales. Yes, that means I think Carnival Games is a quality game. Why else would so many people keep buying it if they didn't hear from their friends that it was a fun game? Obviously hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people are having fun with that game, so it must be pretty damn good.

 

Also my uncle owns that game and he loves playing it with his son. Since my anecdotal evidence is the main factor that goes into determining if a game is good or not, it's useless to try and argue back.

... So don't you dare!



Squilliam on 21 February 2009
Rpruett said:
Squilliam said:
Rpruett said:
Squilliam said:
 

If was you who compared Gears, Fable and Halo to MGS4, GT5 and GOW III.

I compared the franchises(or series) or general appeal of these games yes.  I didn't specify GT5/GOWIII versus Gears/Fable/Halo.   Re-read.

 

Sales are the key metric of success in the video game business. Critical acclaim is nice, but it obviously doesn't pay the bills or fund the next game. Furthermore if a game sells well it is because it reaches a wider demographic of people, some who may not own the respective console and draw them in. System sellers never sell poorly themselves. So if you want to talk about a system seller at this point on the HD consoles you'll have to be talking about a game which will sell at LEAST 4-5Million copies. So if Uncharted/GOW 3 doesn't meet that metric it doesn't enter the picture.

All sales of exclusive games measure,  is the relative success within a consoles user base. Nothing more. What you don't realize is numerous factors play into the success (of sales) of a game.

Halo CE was one of the best games of the entire generation last gen.  Yet it sold under 7 million copies.  Why? 

 

  And to be a system seller it has to sell atleast 4-5 million copies?  Where did you pull that random figure from?  Where does that metric come from? There could be 2 million people waiting to buy a PS3 for God of War III.   Sales can't determine or break that down. Neither can some half-baked metric that you decided to create to suit your argument.

 

Sales do not determine quality of a game. 

 

 

 Sales = appeal. Gears released with very few consoles sold and yet managed to sell huge quantities.  Deep friend chocolate bars are unappealing to most people but some find them delicious. A restaurant wouldn't generally expect a massive increase in business selling deep fried chocolate bars now would it?

 

Again.  You are completely arguing the wrong points.   Sales = Appeal on a specific console / with a specific set of circumstances surrounding it.  Catering towards a specific target audience.

 

 

Halo CE didn't sell more because Halo 2 was released and the total sales of the Xbox 1 remained low.

 

 

 

GoW II sold 2.44 million, its hardly a heavy weight series. Now, Mario Kart is a heavy weight series it sold 7 million on a console with a far smaller userbase.

 

It sold 2.44 million right around the time of PS3's release / towards the end of PS2's legitimate lifespan.  Ofcourse it's sales weren't going to be the best.  The first God of War sold 3.25 million.    And I never said it was a 'heavy weight series'  it's certainly as heavy weight as 'Fable' is though.

Meanwhile games like Gran Turismo are more established than games like Halo and games like Metal Gear is every bit as established as Gears of War.

Certainly,  when this 'generation' started (God of War, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Metal Gear ) were the top 'high profile' franchises set to hit the PS3.   Since then, Final Fantasy is multi-platform as is Tekken.  Metal Gear is released already.

 We're talking hardcore fans who would get the game anyway. If they already had a PS3 or if they still had a PS2 it doesn't matter. 2.44 million sales and out of those most would have already got their PS3 or been swayed by the Xbox 360 or Wii. Its not a significant number, just as Fables sales from the last generation were not a significant number.

Again, you are going off on tangents and distorting the original point and trying to create some completely different argument.

Which was,   It's biased to sit here and negatively judge the PS3 (Or it's fans) based on their mention that some of it's largest most successful, console moving titles haven't even been released yet.  Just as it would be biased for someone to criticize Microsoft fans (Prior to Halo's release)  or Nintendo fans (Prior to Mario Kart or Mario Galaxies release).

Not really...

 

 



Tease.

MaxwellGT2000 on 21 February 2009
Darth Tigris said:
Ok, I'm not reading all of these pages but selective memory seems to be running rampant.

Sony was the undisputed champion of gaming for over 10 years and was expected to continue their run this gen. They are currently in 3rd place with that not changing anytime soon.

While the PS3 is not a failure per say and definitely not a flop, there is no way that anyone can reasonably say it has performed anywhere near the expectations placed upon it when it was announced and leading up to its initial release window.

That being said, the journalist wasn't being biased in his questions. They have a negative tone, but they are not biased.

 

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misteromar mk4 on 21 February 2009
Darth Tigris said:
Ok, I'm not reading all of these pages but selective memory seems to be running rampant.

Sony was the undisputed champion of gaming for over 10 years and was expected to continue their run this gen. They are currently in 3rd place with that not changing anytime soon.

While the PS3 is not a failure per say and definitely not a flop, there is no way that anyone can reasonably say it has performed anywhere near the expectations placed upon it when it was announced and leading up to its initial release window.

That being said, the journalist wasn't being biased in his questions. They have a negative tone, but they are not biased.

 

 My thoughts too, playstation going from the king by along margin to dead last by a long margin the next generation, is the story. He was looking for answers why, from some who was on the inside with sony.

Jaffe decides to throw a hissy fit about it on video rather than just letting it go, because he doesn't have the balls to tackle the questions.



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DirtyP2002 on 21 February 2009

who wants to read an article with questions like:

  • "You have been very successful for the past months, how did you do it?"
  • "You re-defined the HD-gaming, what can we expect in the near future?"

etc.

This is not true, Sony is in a shitty position in NA right now. I don't see it as a bad thing to ask critical question. His positive answers would balance the article pretty well. But he didn't get it, so he is crying on youtube.

Imagine how much questions like these must have been asked to Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer every day. I haven't seen them crying on youtube for a while.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 21 February 2009

Meh, those questions were too serious and confusing for David Jaffe. They should have asked him more stuff like "Why do you whine so much on your blog?" and "How does it feel to lose control of your franchise and relocate to a smaller company?" and "What's it like bitching and moaning about bad reviews for Calling All Cars?"



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