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JaggedSac on 19 February 2009
Kos-mos said:
kowenicki said:
That GTAIV reference is ridiculous

Having downloaded and played... I reckon this just may be the best DLC ever... and I expect huge sales.

 

 Best???? Content to a game that was rated biggest dissapointement in 2008 on vgchartz.

 

Kowenicki isn't the only one to think this.



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NiKKoM on 19 February 2009
JaggedSac said:
LOL. It is starting to get worse and worse on the internet as blogs are getting more credence.

Well we have seen worse: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=60732&page=3 xD

 



 

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JaggedSac on 19 February 2009
NiKKoM said:
JaggedSac said:
LOL. It is starting to get worse and worse on the internet as blogs are getting more credence.

Well we have seen worse: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=60732&page=3 xD

 

LOL.  Even N4G, which I used to go to for updates, has tons and tons of worthless blogs getting linked to.

 



Chromium24 on 19 February 2009
Skeeuk said:

    

    Microsoft keeps buying exclusives from third party, but how much longer can they go on doing this? Third parties will gladly accept the money to make a game exclusive to the 360, but it doesn’t come cheap, and doesn’t always pay off. If Microsoft were smart they would put the money  they are wasting on third party, and get some first party started. These days a console can’t live on just third party, especially with Sony going all out on their first party. Modern games are so expensive to make these days, that a third party would need a really good reason to make their game exclusive. 

    

This paragraph is very true. Microsofts 1st parties are almost non-existant. They have a few good exclusives, but if you look at their top games on IGN or Metacritic they're mostly multiplats like GTA, Bioshock, etc. That is excluding games like Mass Effect, Gears of War and Halo which are great.

 



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jpcsfsd on 19 February 2009

If history has anything to say it is that Killzone will not move any PS3's and it will have mediocre sales.

Hell I would be willing to bet that Left 4 Dead will outsell Killzone 2 in lifetime sales.



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TheTruthHurts! on 19 February 2009

Microsoft shall continue to "sell" its way to victory. Software, and Live sales are crazy. Keep it up MS.



Flash on 19 February 2009
TheTruthHurts! said:
Microsoft shall continue to "sell" its way to victory. Software, and Live sales are crazy. Keep it up MS.

TheTruthHurts!

 



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badgenome on 19 February 2009
Chromium24 said:
Skeeuk said:

    

    Microsoft keeps buying exclusives from third party, but how much longer can they go on doing this? Third parties will gladly accept the money to make a game exclusive to the 360, but it doesn’t come cheap, and doesn’t always pay off. If Microsoft were smart they would put the money  they are wasting on third party, and get some first party started. These days a console can’t live on just third party, especially with Sony going all out on their first party. Modern games are so expensive to make these days, that a third party would need a really good reason to make their game exclusive. 

    

This paragraph is very true. Microsofts 1st parties are almost non-existant. They have a few good exclusives, but if you look at their top games on IGN or Metacritic they're mostly multiplats like GTA, Bioshock, etc. That is excluding games like Mass Effect, Gears of War and Halo which are great.

 

I don't agree with it, really. There's something to be said for having a strong first party, sure, but it's not necessarily more expensive to outsource to third parties for exclusives. Could be cheaper than keeping up your own studios, in fact. Gears of War is by no means a "waste of money" for Microsoft, and there's certainly nothing that precludes third parties from making games that can rival or surpass those of first parties. After all, a lot of people never cared about Sony's first party until they really started to ramp it up after losing so many third party exclusives. The difference in Microsoft's situation is that, instead of just assuming they'll get third party support as Sony did, they seem to be building a strategy around it. And I think that as the generation wears on and their system sells more, it should be easier - not harder - to convince third parties to make an exclusive for them.



kitler53 on 19 February 2009
Chromium24 said:
Skeeuk said:

    

    Microsoft keeps buying exclusives from third party, but how much longer can they go on doing this? Third parties will gladly accept the money to make a game exclusive to the 360, but it doesn’t come cheap, and doesn’t always pay off. If Microsoft were smart they would put the money  they are wasting on third party, and get some first party started. These days a console can’t live on just third party, especially with Sony going all out on their first party. Modern games are so expensive to make these days, that a third party would need a really good reason to make their game exclusive. 

    

This paragraph is very true. Microsofts 1st parties are almost non-existant. They have a few good exclusives, but if you look at their top games on IGN or Metacritic they're mostly multiplats like GTA, Bioshock, etc. That is excluding games like Mass Effect, Gears of War and Halo which are great.

 

I think the may point to take is - mass effect, bioshock's time exclusivity, rock band's time exclusivity, GTA's exclusive dlc, portal's dlc, ect., MS is paying for this competitive advantage.  the more ps3s in the world (regardless of market share) the higher cost MS will have to pay to keep those advantages.  how long until it is cost prohibitive for MS?  and what then? will MS's "almost non-existant" first party be the only ones creating exclusive content for the 360?

i'll be honest, i hope so.  MS, if you want to have content to define your console please spend more time making awesome content for your console and less time playing interference on the compitition.

 



kitler53 on 19 February 2009
badgenome said:
Chromium24 said:
Skeeuk said:

    

    Microsoft keeps buying exclusives from third party, but how much longer can they go on doing this? Third parties will gladly accept the money to make a game exclusive to the 360, but it doesn’t come cheap, and doesn’t always pay off. If Microsoft were smart they would put the money  they are wasting on third party, and get some first party started. These days a console can’t live on just third party, especially with Sony going all out on their first party. Modern games are so expensive to make these days, that a third party would need a really good reason to make their game exclusive. 

    

This paragraph is very true. Microsofts 1st parties are almost non-existant. They have a few good exclusives, but if you look at their top games on IGN or Metacritic they're mostly multiplats like GTA, Bioshock, etc. That is excluding games like Mass Effect, Gears of War and Halo which are great.

 

I don't agree with it, really. There's something to be said for having a strong first party, sure, but it's not necessarily more expensive to outsource to third parties for exclusives. Could be cheaper than keeping up your own studios, in fact. Gears of War is by no means a "waste of money" for Microsoft, and there's certainly nothing that precludes third parties from making games that can rival or surpass those of first parties. After all, a lot of people never cared about Sony's first party until they really started to ramp it up after losing so many third party exclusives. The difference in Microsoft's situation is that, instead of just assuming they'll get third party support as Sony did, they seem to be building a strategy around it. And I think that as the generation wears on and their system sells more, it should be easier - not harder - to convince third parties to make an exclusive for them.

completely disagree.  let's say that when the ps3 had a 5M userbase a third party could expect around 5M in sales potential from the ps3.

then at a a 10M userbase the sales potential becomes 10M

at a 20M userbase the sales potential becomes 20M

at a 40M userbase the sales potential becomes 40M

..see how those numbers keep going up regardless of what the 360 is doing?  as the generation wears on it is going to be harder and harder for MS to conviece third parties to be exclusive.