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Rei on 15 February 2009
makingmusic476 said:
Rei said:

It's really funny how so many PS3 fans hope and pray for Kitase and Nomura to leave the company. It's like something has mas you sure that in that case they will start working exclusively with Sony - yeah, right, just like Sakaguchi and Matsuno did.

 ... Oh wait

 

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in this thread that mentioned Kitase and Nomura's possible departure, and I *don't* think I implied any place that they might go...

 

 Maybe you are the only one in this particular thread, but not the only one overall amongst the PS3 fans here. Your post just reminded me about them and their hopes for Kitase and Nomura to leave and work with Sony.



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hunter_alien on 15 February 2009
Paperdiego said:
this article has sony fanboy written all over it.

final fantasy 7 the most popular of all time??

POKEMON SAYS HELLO!!!


and i got the impession that its because square enix isn't supporting sony exclusivly that its declining??

hello have you seen the numbers??
ps3 and psp are DEAD!!!

this gen is all about NINTENDO and to a lesser extent microsoft(but still worthy)

 

Hello... you are a morron... the PSP at this point on is one of the biggest software movers in Japan... many games cant rival itrs sales not even on the DS ( look at Phantasy Star). The PS3 is also pretty capable of moving JRPGs as prooven by WKC.... so please dont be an idiot before you post and take time to reserach a bit ;)



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JGarret on 15 February 2009

"Versus is staying exclusive for now for very odd reasons (as far as I know), and it's very likely to go multiplat. If it does go multiplat, expect some interesting things to happen internally at Square Enix."


What do you mean by that, makingmusic?...What possible interesting things?



luisgvm on 15 February 2009
KylieDog said:
kutasek said:
It went into decline before this generation, FF12, says hello.

 

FF XII is the move forward the FF series needed since IX.   In all areas.

 

omg i totally agree with this. ff12 was great i dont know why people hate it so much.



iron_megalith on 15 February 2009

Timed exclusivity MUST DIE! If they decide on a project which is exclusive already just stick to it. If it's a timed exclusive it's really stupid, since it's a waste of money to port it to the other console.. Hence see Bioshock for PS3.....



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iron_megalith on 15 February 2009
Falcon095 said:

Ok, seriously what are you, ps3 guys complaining about? SO 4 has as much as a right to stay exclusive as FFvXIII and both are getting FFXIII, and don't say that "every SO has been PS exclusive" because there were more FF in only Nintendo consoles than SO in PS consoles. The only SE game that is exclusive for the Xbox 360 is the Last Remnant and even if it's good it doesn't justify all of this bitching (Infinite Undiscovery does NOT cound because MS owns the IP, they just asked tri ace to make the game)

EDIT- I forgot to comment OT

Many things were right, SE has been declining since some time ago, and maybe it's just me but.. this sounds more like if this guy was complaining more about SO4 being a X360 exclusive and that SE haven't supported "enough" for him the PS3 than an article of the SE declining.

I agree that it's fanboy article but if you look at this realistically and just look at the bigger picture, SO4 being timed exclusive is a stupid deal. To SE that is. Since if they decided to release it for PS3 in the future it would be just as stupid as releasing Bioshock for PS3.

These timed exclusivities must die. Just go multi plat with it if you already planned it from the start. As a PS3 fan I was hurt on FFXIII being multi plat but once I looked at it realistically it is a good decision. Keeping the Japanese exclusive and the rest multi plat. Now that's the best solution there is.

Although the development time for the game is another issue.......



RVDondaPC on 15 February 2009
Dianko said:

I don't actually think Sony paid for Versus, but I was trying to make a counter argument that the moneyhatting argument isn't the best. I'm sure there are some arrangements in place between Sony and SE to keep it on the PS3 (just as MS is sure to have an arrangement with SE for SO4).

However, I strongly disagree with the userbase argument specifically for IU. Its been mentioned already by myself and others that game is a different case, since its development was funded by MS, and SE merely published it. That being the case, even the half million copies sold would be good for SE, since they didn't spend the millions of dollars it cost to develop. Almost like a Wii-game, since all SE had to do was pay for the packaging, distribution and advertisement (in that Wii games cost significantly less to make, so less copies need to be sold to turn a profit). Aside from that, there would be no reason for that game to be on the PS3 since MS funded it. As for Last Remnant, nobody can be sure. UE3 games have a history of problems with PS3, but the fact that the PC version was delayed as well points to some kind of deal with MS. Ultimately, I think that it was a title meant to test the western waters with a new IP, but I could just as well be full of shit.

As far as WKC, it has sold well in Japan for a PS3 title. However, you yourself mentioned that JRPGs tend to do best in Japan, so I don't think the game will end up selling as well WW as Lost Odyssey, particularly since Sony doesn't seem to want to advertise their games that much (I have yet to see a Killzone 2 ad here in the US, while LO for example was well advertised). Keep in mind that of the 3 home consoles, Lost Odyssey is the best selling JRPG of this gen worldwide.

I'm not really arguing against moneyhatting being done, but that the same reasoning given to say MS is moneyhatting can be applied to Sony, since both are in fairly similar circumstances. And I believe that both SO4 and Versus are gonna end up on both systems anyway.

 

 

Sony has said they do not pay for third party exclusives. While MS has paid for third party exclusives and has many such deals in place for third party exclusives. To say that the same argument can be made against Sony is baseless. The FF series has been on the playstation brand for a decade. The PS3 is what console many FF fans expect to play the next FF games in the series on. The PS3 has more than double the userbase in Japen which FF does a large portion of it's sales. To think that SE needs compansation from Sony to develop a game on the PS3 platform is retarded. Now if FFXIII sales more on the 360 then it does on the PS3 then for XIV it might be a different story. But I doubt it will and it will show that the PS3 is the console of choice for JRPG's. 



iron_megalith on 15 February 2009
RPG said:

Ouch, well I am sure SE know what they are doing. :/ Spending much a huge deal on that company with those Ip's =

 

Nice gifs in this thread!

Man that guy is so damn cool. He takes a shot immediately. XD



Dianko on 15 February 2009
RVDondaPC said:
Dianko said:

I don't actually think Sony paid for Versus, but I was trying to make a counter argument that the moneyhatting argument isn't the best. I'm sure there are some arrangements in place between Sony and SE to keep it on the PS3 (just as MS is sure to have an arrangement with SE for SO4).

However, I strongly disagree with the userbase argument specifically for IU. Its been mentioned already by myself and others that game is a different case, since its development was funded by MS, and SE merely published it. That being the case, even the half million copies sold would be good for SE, since they didn't spend the millions of dollars it cost to develop. Almost like a Wii-game, since all SE had to do was pay for the packaging, distribution and advertisement (in that Wii games cost significantly less to make, so less copies need to be sold to turn a profit). Aside from that, there would be no reason for that game to be on the PS3 since MS funded it. As for Last Remnant, nobody can be sure. UE3 games have a history of problems with PS3, but the fact that the PC version was delayed as well points to some kind of deal with MS. Ultimately, I think that it was a title meant to test the western waters with a new IP, but I could just as well be full of shit.

As far as WKC, it has sold well in Japan for a PS3 title. However, you yourself mentioned that JRPGs tend to do best in Japan, so I don't think the game will end up selling as well WW as Lost Odyssey, particularly since Sony doesn't seem to want to advertise their games that much (I have yet to see a Killzone 2 ad here in the US, while LO for example was well advertised). Keep in mind that of the 3 home consoles, Lost Odyssey is the best selling JRPG of this gen worldwide.

I'm not really arguing against moneyhatting being done, but that the same reasoning given to say MS is moneyhatting can be applied to Sony, since both are in fairly similar circumstances. And I believe that both SO4 and Versus are gonna end up on both systems anyway.

 

 

Sony has said they do not pay for third party exclusives. While MS has paid for third party exclusives and has many such deals in place for third party exclusives. To say that the same argument can be made against Sony is baseless. The FF series has been on the playstation brand for a decade. The PS3 is what console many FF fans expect to play the next FF games in the series on. The PS3 has more than double the userbase in Japen which FF does a large portion of it's sales. To think that SE needs compansation from Sony to develop a game on the PS3 platform is retarded. Now if FFXIII sales more on the 360 then it does on the PS3 then for XIV it might be a different story. But I doubt it will and it will show that the PS3 is the console of choice for JRPG's. 

 

First, the FF series should be on a NINTENDO platform according to your argument, seeing how thats where it got started, and the Wii does have a massive userbase advantage. SE does need compensation, at least now, since the sales aren't matching up to their expectation. SE does not owe Sony or PS3 owners anything, it was Sonys job to make sure the userbase was there, Sony failed so as a consequence the FFXIII is coming to the 360 as well. Aside from that SE has been saying for years, even before the 360 came out, that they will be pursuing more of a multiplatform strategy where they don't put in all of their eggs in one basket in case that basket fucks up (like, say, end up 3rd place in the console race instead of the promised PS2 track).


Also, why should I believe Sony when they say they don't pay for exclusives? They may not "Pay" in the exact sense of the word, but its almost guranteed they gave some kind of concession. To say that I should believe Sony because they say so, is to tell me to believe politicians when they say they aren't crooks. When it comes to multinational corporations and politicians, my first impulse to believe whatever they say to be technically accurate, but full of shit for all intents and purposes. Sony, for example, routinely denies using carcinogenic chemicals in their factories in maquiladoras and free economic zones all over the 3rd world (in this instance, MS and Nintendo are guilty as well). So, I should believe anything a company that denies exploiting their workers by paying them $0.50/hour making TVs and PS3s while exposing them to cancer causing chemicals?



Xen on 15 February 2009
KylieDog said:
kutasek said:
It went into decline before this generation, FF12, says hello.

 

FF XII is the move forward the FF series needed since IX.   In all areas.

Yeah, especially story and characters *chuckles*