Oh for Pete's sake... This is just getting ridiculous. No SL remake my culo blanco.

@ naraku: Both sony and MS put money into servers and the likes. MS gets the money from a forced subscription. Sony gets it by allowing you to purchase whatever you please, whether it is a game, a video or an item for Home.

Both are different ways for the same goal (namely: money in their pockets. Doesn't matter for which use).

But because Sony offers it free and (according to you apparently) charges for stuff you get to buy voluntarily but may end up regretting (which is YOUR choice and your OWN fault, not sony's :-/), they are sucking?

Logic... a hard thing apparently.

And about the spewing propaganda: Yeah, MS doesn't do that all, thank god for that.

 Im gonna have to disagree... You get the above stated ie serv maint, and "other things"   PLUS $50 worth of games, game addons, movies, TV Shows etc.

No, their logic isn't flawed.  Most people think it's a better value to have more stuff on general principle.  Humans are greedy.  And they are absolutely right, you can get a hell of a lot more for your $50 on PSN because you'll get a bunch of things you may want and you still get to play online.  For free.  If anything, your logic is flawed, but I think we can just come to a middle ground and say some people will prefer Sony's proposition and some MS's, right?  I mean, I can want to spend my money on games and you can want to throw it away on a service virtually everyone else in the world gives away for free.  I'll buy food to sustain myself, while you can buy bottled air.  To each their own.

If they are at the point where they need to reinforce the unique selling points through press releases, then I think they have failed in their mission.  They should be selling the fact that all online games are free on the PS3, but cost $50 a year on the 360.  It's a simple but powerful message.

that was expected by Sony, they are a desperate company. They went from top of the mountain to bottom. That's a hard fall, and the company as a whole lost a lot of money since a year. Unfortunately, they are using tactics that usually cheap companies use, which is a complete opposite of what Sony, supposedly luxurious company, should do.

Yeah! If Sony started a premium service that cost like $5.00/month and gave you $5.00 worth of Playstation Store credit, I would clearly never buy it, because it doesn't have the word "Live!" on the end, and I don't go for studio recordings -- I want the real thing.

Even worse is that the current system is like an optional premium service, where you don't pay if you don't want anything from the store that month. I like to plan ahead with my bills -- if I am playing online for 5 years (you know, typical console lifespan), I want to schedule my $250 worth of payments and get... well that "Live!" word, and I like to pretend that its less laggy too so there's that. ...and no of course I have never compared the two directly... why would I use something other than Live!?

Live! only costs me just one month out of the year if I get the annual subscription too -- so that's 11 of 12 months for free!  Just the same as PSN, almost.

Live! for da w1n!

Made no sense.  AT ALL.

Nah, they'll go with something like "Live is a superior service", and then list all of the things that Live can do which the PSN can't. Which isn't a lot. Then they'll make fun of Sony for trying to sell virtual furniture, and claim every game on the PSN is crap.

They're getting really predictable now. And notice how Nintendo just sits, watches these two feuding, and chuckles.

Nintendo is probably too busy counting its money to notice what Sony and Microsoft are doing about online services, and their words.  They barely have ANY online anything, except for a few nice perks in the Wii, and WiiWare and Virtual Console games to download.  Oh, you also get a browser to surf the Internet with, but that is about it.  In other words, Nintendo doesn't care about what others do with its online offering.  It offers what it wants with each game that comes out.  Like Animal Crossing and the room mic.  One has to realize they don't care when you don't get a user name, but a 16 digit code (grouped in 4 sets of 4 numbers) as your ID.  It is like Nintendo doesn't care if ET phones home or its friends call ET or ET calls its friends.

Would be nice for Nintendo to chime in with some sales numbers and tell them to shut up like a parent breaking up some kids that are squabbling.  Put it in a press release or something here.